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Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend

JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

[Archived - no longer valid] New (Royal) Ambassador Criteria

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Old Jan 9, 19, 12:11 pm
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Also got a negative response. Really clueless on the criteria...
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Old Jan 9, 19, 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by IAN-UK View Post
Panic seems to be setting in !

IHG has until the end of this month to renew your account. That's another three weeks.

The time for writing in comes when you have been demoted.

Ambassador services really aren't giving you the run-around: they simply can't help you.


That said you should be fine with a $500 a night spend over 40 nights !
yes, but at the very least you'd expect to have the Dec 27th line item?

i'd be emailing now to management.

rarely wld any experienced here expect to get from Makati! . and in fairness, they haven't got the information.
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Had a reply. 11-12k was not sufficient with 20k+ at IHG and over 80 nights. That’s 25k of business IHG will lose this year and whilst bit disappointing there are plenty of options.
11-12K not being sufficient isn't consistent with some of our data points is it? maybe at the margin?

if i was in that position, i'd be reaching out to the other hotel groups now, with current RA in place, with request to status match, and if no joy, ask for challenges.

all the best getting status matched to those that choose that strategy.

or just stay as an Ambassador, with a view to re-qualifying. is there much difference these days, when the changes kick in? the upgrade that can vary according to the the way the wind's blowing on any particular day?

Lifetime RA after say 10 consecutive years, or 15 years accumulative would be good strategy for IHG, re business retention, make more sticky, downgraded RA's staying on to requalify.

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Also got a negative response. Really clueless on the criteria...
would be interesting/good if you cld share your Net IC spend as a data point.
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Significantly more than what has been enough for others here.

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Originally Posted by Tim O'Brien View Post
11-12K not being sufficient isn't consistent with some of our data points is it? maybe at the margin?

if i was in that position, i'd be reaching out to the other hotel groups now, with current RA in place, with request to status match, and if no joy, ask for challenges.

all the best getting status matched to those that choose that strategy.

or just stay as an Ambassador, with a view to re-qualifying. is there much difference these days, when the changes kick in? the upgrade that can vary according to the the way the wind's blowing on any particular day.
So I checked again. Itís 11k at the conservative end and 12k if you include some of the mistakes in the qualifying spend vs total.

I am an already top or near tier with all the other major players, Hilton Diamond, Accor platinum, Marriott platinum.

Total hotel stays trays last year were over 200nights. I put 80 into IHG and of them did about a third at ICs where they were available.

I find IHGs offering the weakest of the lot but do enjoy the IC hotels. I will not be putting another year into IC when I can get better treatment from the other chains. The lack of clarity on RA qualification, no breakfast included, no club access, etc. makes it really hard
to put another 12-20k into IHG.

It is what it is and is very short sighted of IHG but I canít do much about it.
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One comment that they did make that was quite surprising was the fact they only give out a few hundred to the UK/Europe members.

Of course this will be lower than China but I find it strange to say that like itís capped lower than the Americaís, etc.
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Mentioned it more than once. But it is a few dollars shy from 13k.
we have a data point at 12K net IC spend for Unterwegs?
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we have a data point at 12K net IC spend for Unterwegs?
But 16 vs. 52 nights may count?
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So I checked again. It’s 11k at the conservative end and 12k if you include some of the mistakes in the qualifying spend vs total.

I am an already top or near tier with all the other major players, Hilton Diamond, Accor platinum, Marriott platinum.

Total hotel stays trays last year were over 200nights. I put 80 into IHG and of them did about a third at ICs where they were available.

I find IHGs offering the weakest of the lot but do enjoy the IC hotels. I will not be putting another year into IC when I can get better treatment from the other chains. The lack of clarity on RA qualification, no breakfast included, no club access, etc. makes it really hard
to put another 12-20k into IHG.

It is what it is and is very short sighted of IHG but I can’t do much about it.
Seems correct you don't get RA then if IC-only spend is under usd10k++? Please comfirm your IC stay spend,without including non-IC IHG brand spend as with your 27/53 IC/non-IC nights split on total IHG spend of usd12k++ ,you can't have exceeded us$10k++ at IC brand itself.

o usd12,000++ (I am assuming here the 12k spend exludes taxes) at IHG, but split 16nights at IC and 64 nighrs non-IC
o with above 27/53 IC/non-IC split, I can't see your IC-only net pretax spend being anywhere near to or exceeding needed RA metric of usd10000 ie (usd10k++),
(even if non-IC nights were an unrealistically low usd50++ , that is $2650++, leaving IC only spemd too low at $9350++, if non-IC $75+ on average, then IC $8k++. non-IC=$4k++
o For RA qualification, and as published by IHG themselves as requirement, only qualifying (net of taxes) spend at IC brand (roon/f+b) towards for RA qualification

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Had a reply. 11-12k was not sufficient with 20k+ at IHG and over 80 nights. That’s 25k of business IHG will lose this year and whilst bit disappointing there are plenty of options.
Apologies saw your first post now, where you indeed said IC only was usd11k-12k++ at IC only

Yes for 2017 and 2018 our empirical spend poll showed usd10k++ was the needed spend. If IHG raised the bar for 2019 then maybe 11k++ or 12k++ is now needed (10% or 20% more).

With the suggested by some reports of manual review by IHG this year, it may even be that IHG sensibly allow existing (or long term RAs) to qualify on less than new figure if increased but over the 2017/2018 10k++ threshhold, but then you can never accuse IHG of being sensible.
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Originally Posted by ixs View Post
Thank you.


You and me both. I'd love to have more free time for these small projects. :-)
I found awardwallet to be an acceptable first shot at keeping at least a general idea of my points accounts. It is very good at preventing point expiry but is not offering enough data for serious analytics, e.g. how much spend am I doing this year compared to last, do I need to ramp up stays to achieve a certain level etc...
I sometimes wonder if it would make sense to pool some resources/effort and write the ultimate FlyerTalker Points Tracker or so. 😀
But then there's never enough time.
This is great work. Thanks. I'm going to mooch off this to write my own RA tracker for next year, hehehe.
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I would also appreciate it, over $13K in IC spend and still nothing.
Thanks!
usd13k (or usd10,800 ++ if taxes at 20% ncluded on your 13k) at IC's only (room/f+b) would have got you qualified as RA in 2017 and 2018. Hopefully will still for 2019, but you need to wait and see if IHG are raising required spend target up from usd10k++ for 2019 status.

usd15,600 (or usd13k++) at IC's only would have got you qualified as RA in 2017 and 2018. And still should get one RA for 2019
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One comment that they did make that was quite surprising was the fact they only give out a few hundred to the UK/Europe members.

Of course this will be lower than China but I find it strange to say that like itís capped lower than the Americaís, etc.
i can understand making some variables for lower price point markets, like China, but not the UK/Euro v US? seems odd.
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But 16 vs. 52 nights may count?
yes that's a valid point, i hadn't paid attention to his night count.
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