New RA qualifying criteria based on IC Revenue

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Update 2019: The RA status granted at the start of the calendar year 2017 and 2018 has been based on IC revenue. As from 2019 criteria again have become vague. RA is not achieved through IC spend only. Other, unknown elements are taken into account as well. (Fact: Some users with very high +25k IC spend were not renewed in 2019.)

Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend
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December 2019 / January 2020 Link to RA Renewals & Upgrades
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JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD
Lewis42 / 81 Total (unknown IC) / $16k IC / $2k Kimpton / 4 Continents
81 nights total
$18k Kimpton / IC (about $2k kimpton)
stays in 4 continents

been Ra for ~3-4 years

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

[Archived - no longer valid] New (Royal) Ambassador Criteria

A document was unintenionally available in the internet about changes to the (Royal) Ambassador Qualifying and Re-Qualifying criteria.
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Old Jul 19, 18, 11:02 am
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Posting to all of you RA's from a hopeful that's trying to hit this elusive RA status next year. Here's where I'm at today:

Currently Spire Amb
56 nights in IHG, 16 of which are IC
An additional 22 nights booked at ICs this year

End of year should land around 90 IHG/40IC nights with about $40k IHG spend/$20k IC spend across 7 IC properties

Think I've got a shot? My fear is that my IHG stays/revenue won't factor in (I was staying in Seattle and Charlotte often, where there's no IC).

Also, does RA status get awarded mid-year or is it always at the end of the calendar year?
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Old Jul 19, 18, 2:59 pm
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The last RA enrollments and renewals based on criteria 'IC qualifying net spend >= 10,000 USD' were done both on 4th Jan 2017 / 2018 at ca. 4.30 pm UTC+1.

Since the status has been extended this year to the end of January 2019, it may be that evaluation will begin somewhat later. Nobody knows.

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Old Jul 19, 18, 4:10 pm
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In conversation with a fairly senior GM recently who seemed fairly clued up, there are significant changes on the way to RA one of which will be elimination of the complimentary minibar.

Standardisation seems to be the key. I have to say I left feeling rather depressed. Especially since I have hit my $10k IC spend already.
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Old Jul 19, 18, 4:43 pm
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Not doubting the accuracy of your information, but lmao, what is left of RA when even stripping minibar?!

Not even bf is guaranteed.
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Old Jul 20, 18, 3:51 am
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Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles View Post
In conversation with a fairly senior GM recently who seemed fairly clued up, there are significant changes on the way to RA one of which will be elimination of the complimentary minibar.

Standardisation seems to be the key. I have to say I left feeling rather depressed. Especially since I have hit my $10k IC spend already.
Interesting. Iíve always been under the impression that everyone is kept in the dark about upcoming changes, so Iíve never particularly given a lot of weight to rumours - iíve heard MANY things over the years, few of which have ever turned out to be true.

If thatís the case, though, count me gone - Iím at $15K this year but I wonít bother renewing unless the new benefits are so good that theyíll make the reductions worth it. I donít need another Platinum status in a program - Iíll happily revert to my other hotel programs.
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Old Jul 20, 18, 5:33 am
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Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles View Post
In conversation with a fairly senior GM recently who seemed fairly clued up, there are significant changes on the way to RA one of which will be elimination of the complimentary minibar.

Standardisation seems to be the key. I have to say I left feeling rather depressed. Especially since I have hit my $10k IC spend already.
Very sad, if true.
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Old Jul 20, 18, 7:16 am
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The minibar is a fun gimmick when I'm traveling with family or friends, but the 3$ Coke that I sometimes enjoy while on business trips is not really a deal-breaker for me. Give me complimentary breakfast on all hotels, including the ones that doesn't offer Club Lounge and / or implement Club Life Experience at the same Club-less properties, and they can take away both the minibar and free movie for all I care.
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Old Jul 20, 18, 10:24 am
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Originally Posted by christenlabelle View Post
Posting to all of you RA's from a hopeful that's trying to hit this elusive RA status next year. Here's where I'm at today:

Currently Spire Amb
56 nights in IHG, 16 of which are IC
An additional 22 nights booked at ICs this year

End of year should land around 90 IHG/40IC nights with about $40k IHG spend/$20k IC spend across 7 IC properties

Think I've got a shot? My fear is that my IHG stays/revenue won't factor in (I was staying in Seattle and Charlotte often, where there's no IC).

Also, does RA status get awarded mid-year or is it always at the end of the calendar year?
Only paid qual rate IC brand (room and F+B) counts. In 2016 and 2017 empirically usd10,000++ spend needed.

No requirement for nn nights or 3 IC's any more. eg 4nights in one IC at usd2500++ would get you RA for 2019

Alas non-IC HI/CP/indigo/etc spend is ignored for RA qualification metic
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Old Jul 20, 18, 12:37 pm
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this is not written in stone, just an assumption

details of exactly what it takes to qualify for RA are not published, so it is anybody's guess
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Old Jul 20, 18, 12:51 pm
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Originally Posted by #1son View Post
this is not written in stone, just an assumption

details of exactly what it takes to qualify for RA are not published, so it is anybody's guess
No, this is pretty solid info based on a number of renewals and non-renewals in the last 2 years.

Cant guarantee it will remain so, of course, but at least thereís some consistency in the last two years.
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Old Jul 21, 18, 6:56 am
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Originally Posted by turner32 View Post
Very sad, if true.
Apparently there has been (BA Style) feedback that people prefer to drink in the bar etc. in more social settings and don't value the free minibar. In fairness this was staying in a suite with one of the better minibars I have come across (e.g. full range of fever tree mixers and multiple spirits) and we didn't go mad either in the minibar or the lounge but were spending circa 250 euros a day by the pool.

My response was that often the club tended not to have hours that worked for me when I am working so the minibar was one of the few real benefits. I would consider Marriott style drink vouchers for the bar (which is sort of the direction I sensed but wasn't told) to be a significant step down. Although I can see an aim of trying to drive more revenue by putting customers in proximity with F&B options.

There seemed to be some move afoot to more recognition in other brands too whatever that amounts too
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Old Jul 21, 18, 7:15 am
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Originally Posted by scubaccr View Post
...4nights in one IC at usd2500++ would get you RA for 2019
Or to extend that to a true reductio ad absurdum, one stay at USD10000 gets you in, while 90 nights at USD110 a night wouldn't keep you in RA clover.

Truth is we really don't know the checks put in place around the (largely) accepted 10K base since the debacles of the last two end of years. I think the penny dropped that someone spending 50+ nights in Intercontinental hotels, probably expects a little more than pat on the back and the invitation to pay for an Ambassador card.

As for the other brands not counting, anecdotal evidence - including my own - suggests there's been quite a cut back in Ambassador stays at Holiday Inns etc. The result might be subtle in overall figures, but it's a trend that should have been picked up, and even IHG revenue folk might have worked out they are putting out a strange message to members.
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Old Jul 21, 18, 4:32 pm
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Feb next year I will be spending around $11k minimum for my trip and I am faced with a choice. 1) I can book a very nice CP for $12k or I can book a mediocre IC for $13-14k. Now my trip consists of booking multiple rooms and is not just for the one/two (although if we go to the IC, I cover the additional). Therefore, does anyone know if I am likely to get RA if I do go and book the IC or if it is unlikely owing to it being spread across multiple rooms? Additionally, if multiple rooms are ok, would my CP spend cover it?

Thanks in advance for any help.
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Old Jul 22, 18, 12:28 am
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Originally Posted by TheWiseOne View Post
Feb next year I will be spending around $11k minimum for my trip and I am faced with a choice. 1) I can book a very nice CP for $12k or I can book a mediocre IC for $13-14k. Now my trip consists of booking multiple rooms and is not just for the one/two (although if we go to the IC, I cover the additional). Therefore, does anyone know if I am likely to get RA if I do go and book the IC or if it is unlikely owing to it being spread across multiple rooms? Additionally, if multiple rooms are ok, would my CP spend cover it?

Thanks in advance for any help.
You won't get any RA benefit on the proposed stay, so the status is only going to be useful if you routinely stay at IC in the future.

For occasional IC stays it can be less expensive, less trouble all round, simply to purchase Ambassador membership and buy up to the level of comfort and amenities you want. Getting Club access at $50 or so on the nights you really want it can be a lot easier than chasing the uncertainties of RA membership.

If you know you will be happier, more comfortable at the CP, it seems crazy to pay more to stay elsewhere and be less comfortable
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Old Jul 22, 18, 3:08 am
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Originally Posted by TheWiseOne View Post
Feb next year I will be spending around $11k minimum for my trip and I am faced with a choice. 1) I can book a very nice CP for $12k or I can book a mediocre IC for $13-14k. Now my trip consists of booking multiple rooms and is not just for the one/two (although if we go to the IC, I cover the additional). Therefore, does anyone know if I am likely to get RA if I do go and book the IC or if it is unlikely owing to it being spread across multiple rooms? Additionally, if multiple rooms are ok, would my CP spend cover it?

Thanks in advance for any help.
imho the stupid part of making RA cycle Jan-Dec is that zero benefit for rest of calendar year spending 10k++ early in year, as Ambassador upgrade to Royal will only occur annually circa 3rd January each year.

if you book multiple rooms, then probably only 1x room/night is qualifying night and receiving EQP points, but you can earn EQPs for F+B for multiple rooms charged to primary room. I can't see it being worth it. Remember you also need but Ambassador pre-stay for usd150/200, but on the bright side you'd get a) 1cat upgrade but only one room b) bogo cert for free weekend night

Whilst IHG Corporate could be tracking actual IC $$$ spend (which would include non-qual rate spend etc), my personal bet would be IHG Corporate instead track IC EQPs instead whereby IC hotel has already worked out if qual/non-qual spend for IHG.

I have always made sure I exceed the empirical us$10k++ by 20% or o minimum as
i)IHG could increase target meaning I'd lose RA status the following January
ii)If RA status lost come January, by say paltry 500usd, you have to wait for 12months to requal, staying at IC's as plain Ambassador, something longterm ex-RAs are unlikely to do. In the past you could simply spend extra IC nights after RA downgrade to regain almost immediately(pre Jun2016) but not anymore
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