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Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend

JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

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Old May 19, 18, 4:27 am
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I personally really like the RA changes for the most part. I donít like the uncertainty of whether or not I will attain it but I genuinely appreciate the guaranteed lounge access and the more clarity over the benefits.
I am not sure I do, whilst the lounge is now guaranteed, the sort of upgrades that used to be given (which to me were worth MUCH more) are generally a distant memory.

Whilst I don't have to do stays elsewhere I have recently found a few good CP's which are good enough to warrant regular stays and convenient to my clinets location so not currently an overall plus.

However I should easily qualify for RA again this year if the threshold remains the same based on approximately 15 nights stays.
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I personally really like the RA changes for the most part. I donít like the uncertainty of whether or not I will attain it but I genuinely appreciate the guaranteed lounge access and the more clarity over the benefits.
Hang on, what clarity? The two level upgrade which ... sometimes means a suite ... and sometimes the exact same room, but with a fancier title, and maybe a parking lot view instead of an armpit view? Or the lounge access which has some cold eggs and three snacks (I'm looking at you, IC Okinawa Manza) and officially you're not allowed to have breakfast in the restaurant, but maybe.... or in cases where there isn't a lounge, then all bets are off - it depends on how friendly you are with staff, which may or may not get you breakfast. Or how about just everything going out the window on points? Oh sorry, says IC ANA Tokyo, you're on points? Go pound sand! We only maybe recognise the paying guests. And then IC Cannes gives you a suite and minibar and thanks you for being a RA.

RA is the most frustrating program ever. I enjoy being one, but I hate the lack of renewal criteria and inconsistent benefits across properties. I really wish they'd get their act together, because otherwise, the only thing that bonds us is the constant complaining about it.
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RA is the most frustrating program ever. I enjoy being one, but I hate the lack of renewal criteria and inconsistent benefits across properties. I really wish they'd get their act together, because otherwise, the only thing that bonds us is the constant complaining about it.
If you want to consistent benefits, you need to accept the minimum benefit. This is IHG style.
I donít want consistency. I hope rather individuality. Terms & Conditions should be regulated in minimum mandatory standard.

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If you want to consistent benefits, you need to accept the minimum benefit. This is IHG style.
I donít want consistency. I hope rather individuality. Terms & Conditions should be regulated in minimum mandatory standard.

Sure, thatís fine, but Iíd prefer a higher level of minimum standard, leaving the hotels to take care of the individual pieces on top of that. They should guarantee breakfast, irrespective of lounge. They should guarantee a suite. Thatís all I ask.
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InterContinental Kiev is an example of how bad hotels corner the new rules. Basically, as a RA, it makes no sense to book anything different than base room, as they donít upgrade beyond exec room (2 cat higher). All suites excluded from upgrades, even when available. Or you need to straight up buy a suite and receive exactly what you booked, sans upgrade.
They sure make you feel valued with their minibar stripped of wine and hard liquor.
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RAs get the special stripped mini-bar at the IC Moscow Tverskaya too

and I agree that there are a few CP properties that are near excellent that still get my business
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RAs get the special stripped mini-bar at the IC Moscow Tverskaya too

and I agree that there are a few CP properties that are near excellent that still get my business
I've emailed guest relations about this, but not yet had a response. The property used to offer a free minibar to every guest, that said, it was only 2 x beer, juices and water. So they've scrapped that, and gone full minibar, but stripped out for RA?
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RAs get the special stripped mini-bar at the IC Moscow Tverskaya too

and I agree that there are a few CP properties that are near excellent that still get my business
Lol yeah that minibar is hilarious. I didnít think to complain about it because I uhh, had rather plentiful supply otherwise, but I would if I were there. Iíd just demand to switch rooms and see if the minibar diverted.
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in the non RA mini-bar in Moscow, there is every alcoholic drink known to man on offer
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in the non RA mini-bar in Moscow, there is every alcoholic drink known to man on offer
Tried demanding that it be "fixed"?

WAIT! I know. Book a room, show up, maybe even go to room, take pics of minibar. Then go OMG I JUST REALISED I FORGOT MY RA# !!!! Please add it and give me a better room!

... profit$$$$$
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If you want to consistent benefits, you need to accept the minimum benefit. This is IHG style.
I don’t want consistency. I hope rather individuality. Terms & Conditions should be regulated in minimum mandatory standard.


Absolutely. Those asking for consistency clearly believe it will bring all hotels up to the level of benefits offered at the best ones: which is a lovely idea.

Unfortunately it will always settle at a lower level. Consistency will establish a low minimum level of benefits that all hotels can agree on.
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Absolutely. Those asking for consistency clearly believe it will bring all hotels up to the level of benefits offered at the best ones: which is a lovely idea.

Unfortunately it will always settle at a lower level. Consistency will establish a low minimum level of benefits that all hotels can agree on.
In principle, you're absolutely right.

In reality, though, are you? I hate to restart the ages-old argument, but literally every chain (that matters) unequivocally guarantees breakfast to members. With Hyatt joining the fray, you're also guaranteed suites by every chain. This is for publicly attainable, "platinum" style 75-night / 100-night levels. But iridium-plated, unobtainium levels like RA? Well no, we have to be at the mercy of the hotel's FOM who may or may not be in the mood, so we have to sit on pins and needles until last moment.

I get that I'm coming from a position of "entitlement", but like, I don't put nearly as much effort into requalifying for SPG Platinum every year, and I know pretty much what I will get every time. It's a really comfortable experience, same for Hyatt. But RA? It's a rollercoaster every time. Including requalifying! I guess I don't have enough excitement in my life to do this every year.
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In principle, you're absolutely right.

In reality, though, are you? I hate to restart the ages-old argument, but literally every chain (that matters) unequivocally guarantees breakfast to members. With Hyatt joining the fray, you're also guaranteed suites by every chain. This is for publicly attainable, "platinum" style 75-night / 100-night levels. But iridium-plated, unobtainium levels like RA? Well no, we have to be at the mercy of the hotel's FOM who may or may not be in the mood, so we have to sit on pins and needles until last moment.

I get that I'm coming from a position of "entitlement", but like, I don't put nearly as much effort into requalifying for SPG Platinum every year, and I know pretty much what I will get every time. It's a really comfortable experience, same for Hyatt. But RA? It's a rollercoaster every time. Including requalifying! I guess I don't have enough excitement in my life to do this every year.
Seems you're looking for consistency across programmes. As I see it, each has its own pros and cons: as do the airline frequent flyer programmes. And I guess the advice transfers easily from FFP to hotel programmes: join the ones that best suit you. I appreciate your last comment about the vaguely addictive nature of attachment to these programmes - and note that conditioning is often more effective if the reward is not a certainty...

The RA requalifying business turned into a farce, that's true. But in some ways it was the result of an attempt to install a measure of consistency to the programme. That simply won't work unless the hotels are on board, and my understanding is that to get hotels' agreement to the "enhanced" standard package of benefits, the quid pro quo extracted by owners and managers was a cull of RA members, as well as some tweaks about upgrades and the nature of the club package.

I've had a fair number of IC experiences this year. Only two US stays, but quite a selection of hotels across Europe, the Middle East and Asia. Without exception I've been looked after well: of the two hotels without a club, both provided breakfast, one invited me to use the bar in the evening.

I recognise that guests have different priorities in the benefit area: some value suites above all else - but I generally have no interest in them (just increases the opportunity to misplace my glasses ). OK, the grandeur of the one offered me at one of the US properties I simple couldn't turn down, although at the second property I did precisely that. I've never watched a movie on the TV in my room, and only rarely take more than a coke from the minibar - BUT my travels mean that I very often take full use of early check-in (for me one of the most valuable benefits).

Already i note consistency is out of the window in the lounge offer. Some hotels have stuck to the generous spread, and the generous timetable their regulars expect: other leapt at the opportunity to provide just the required trio of canapťs, and large quantities of cheese, over a rigid two-hour period.
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RAs get the special stripped mini-bar at the IC Moscow Tverskaya too

and I agree that there are a few CP properties that are near excellent that still get my business
For reference, I contacted Guest Relations at IC Tverskaya, and they confirmed that RA receives mini-bar and that it indeed includes alcoholic drinks.
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I have stayed there many times and I can assure you the RA mini-bar is indeed a bad joke, I remember a couple bottles of Baltika and little else

one time when I checked in early, they accidentally gave me a room with a normal mini-bar and it was stocked with everything imaginable

when the room service guy rushed up to my room 20 minutes after I was there to remove the mini-bar contents, I had already cracked the split of champagne that was in it ;-)

this issue is well-documented on Loyalty Lobby, so no need for turner32 to challenge my actual experience

for your reference>

https://loyaltylobby.com/2016/08/06/...dor-treatment/

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