New RA qualifying criteria based on IC Revenue

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Update 2019: The RA status granted at the start of the calendar year 2017 and 2018 has been based on IC revenue. As from 2019 criteria again have become vague. RA is not achieved through IC spend only. Other, unknown elements are taken into account as well. (Fact: Some users with very high +25k IC spend were not renewed in 2019.)

Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend

JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

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Old Feb 21, 18, 2:29 am
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Originally Posted by Eltham View Post


Have you made the effort to meet the senior management? It pays off. No need for escalation and certainly not screaming and shouting.
I always do, and in this case, I have as well. But the rules are the rules as Iíve been told.

Not disagreeing with your point - just frustrated at the erosion of benefits and the requirement to social engineer my way in. Iíve gotten some far above and beyond treatment because Iíve made the effort to connect with the managers, but itís always nice to have a defined base to start with.
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Originally Posted by Tim O'Brien View Post
that was a good suggestion.

i sent them an email, and copied it to Keith Barr.

i kept it on point, factual, and told them if unresolved by the end of this week, i will instruct counsel, and i will if need be.

i genuinely hope they resolve it before it comes to that to determine.

they are outrageous, limiting us to four digit pins, no third party security authentication, total lack of security.

i predict we will see some security changes implemented soon.

and the audacity of the supervisor i spoke with last night, who was the one that told me on Feb 7th, that it was general audit, said "well, the points were spent from your account" implying it was me.

you'd think their fraud department, with Apple, or the online retailer, could make determinations for example the source ordering originating ISP and address, and where the items were delivered?
Guessing that the number of points involved will trigger very deep investigation of the loss, and the original accrual methods. Personally I canít understand why anyone would hoard so many points, knowing the IT issues and the devaluation risk. Raises a few questions ...
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Old Feb 21, 18, 3:00 am
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I agree completely with above, earn and burn whenever possible

free rooms are perfect gifts for friends and relatives ;-)
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Old Feb 21, 18, 4:26 am
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Should it really be needed to meet the management? I travel for leisure rather than business so the thought of having to make effort to meet with management during my personal time is not that appealing, I can sort of see why you would if on business as chances are you are on your own and might not have much else to do if you get some free time during your stay.

If you are staying at a property multiple times year in year out that should be enough to get the level of recognition people seem to be looking for, should not need to be having to seek out and be shaking hands with the GM every visit to get taken care of.

I have to say that as an Ambassador I have been looked after very well at properties I stay at regularly so would be very disappointed if that were to change this year as an RA if I book a lower category room as club is now included for me.
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Old Feb 21, 18, 8:26 am
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I like to think once you have attained RA, there is no need to have any relationship with management, they are there to serve us, supposedly their best customers = RAs

shoven has a good point, I really do not want to spend any time cultivating a relationship with any managers, I have better or more important things to do
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Old Feb 21, 18, 10:07 am
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Originally Posted by Eltham View Post


You obviously havenít invested time in building good senior management relationships at your regular ICs. Itís worth it 😉
Not true, for what is worth I have strong and good contacts with my regular repeating IC's. That is not going to help in the slightest though if a first time RA at an IC, or if IC itself has reduced planned upgrades for their RAs.

Regards meeting GMs, that is still rare, as GM often not visable even if on premises, OR manages multiple hoyels (eg Sydney/Melbourne areas GM). Some small number eg GM at IC Hanoi Westlake do make an effort if on premises.

A case in point would be IC Park Lane, as a somewhat regular, I have historically pre Jan2017 I have been upgraded to 1bed-suite and deluxe-suite approaching 50% of the time, and even once their 4th best suite. That is now definitely a thing of the past, and I am sure many other RAs were staying more nights per year there than me and are likewise disapointed goung forwards.

We also have some IC's counting a clubroom as the 2nd stage of a 2cat RA upgrade when in reality that results in just +1cat room upgrade with lounge benefit associated which RA already has. Historically I was very happy with somw very nice 1-room Junior/Srudio Suites on solo stays at various IC's, as always prefer sitting on a comfy sofa to poorer option of just armchair/bed/workdesk-chair in Exec/Club rooms.
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Old Feb 21, 18, 12:50 pm
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My app card has the new date and still shows Royal ambassador.
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Old Feb 21, 18, 12:51 pm
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Originally Posted by scubaccr View Post
Not true, for what is worth I have strong and good contacts with my regular repeating IC's. That is not going to help in the slightest though if a first time RA at an IC, or if IC itself has reduced planned upgrades for their RAs.

Regards meeting GMs, that is still rare, as GM often not visable even if on premises, OR manages multiple hoyels (eg Sydney/Melbourne areas GM). Some small number eg GM at IC Hanoi Westlake do make an effort if on premises.

A case in point would be IC Park Lane, as a somewhat regular, I have historically pre Jan2017 I have been upgraded to 1bed-suite and deluxe-suite approaching 50% of the time, and even once their 4th best suite. That is now definitely a thing of the past, and I am sure many other RAs were staying more nights per year there than me and are likewise disapointed goung forwards.

We also have some IC's counting a clubroom as the 2nd stage of a 2cat RA upgrade when in reality that results in just +1cat room upgrade with lounge benefit associated which RA already has. Historically I was very happy with somw very nice 1-room Junior/Srudio Suites on solo stays at various IC's, as always prefer sitting on a comfy sofa to poorer option of just armchair/bed/workdesk-chair in Exec/Club rooms.
Our experiences obviously differ.
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Old Feb 21, 18, 4:24 pm
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had a phone call from Corp liason this afternoon, all points back in account, and open again.

they told me they stopped the shipments from the vendor.

said they accessed my account via what they consider a compromised email account, altered the email address, altered delivery address, then proceeded to order items online to be delivered to their address.

told they stopped the vendor from shipping, and got the recipient address.

i hope they prosecute.
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Old Feb 21, 18, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim View Post
Case in point: IC ANA (Tokyo). I've done around 25 stays with them so far, and spent a bit over $20K. Yet, every time I ask for something beyond the two-level upgrade (since my corporate rate tops out at the second cheapest room), they huff, and they puff, and they throw the book at me, and I escalate. I'm really tired of this.
25 is achieved in one year? Or total number of stay history?

Sorry, if 25 is total number of your stay history in ANA Tokyo, itís not big number for them. It is quite ordinary guest for them. They have a lot of corporate or government guests. They have more than 20 people of RA guests every day. They have many guests who have more than 50 stays or hundred nights in annual. You guys should not expect too much if you JUST have a RA status only in here. At least ANA Tokyo is following T&Cs.


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Originally Posted by Raynyan View Post


25 is achieved in one year? Or total number of stay history?

Sorry, if 25 is total number of your stay history in ANA Tokyo, itís not big number for them. It is quite ordinary guest for them. They have a lot of corporate or government guests. They have more than 20 people of RA guests every day. They have many guests who have more than 50 stays or hundred nights in annual. You guys should not expect too much if you JUST have a RA status only in here. At least ANA Tokyo is following T&Cs.


That's over two years, so divide by two. 65 nights in 2017 only. I refuse to believe that every government and corporate stayer bothers with status, are you sure they have 20+ RAs every day? I dunno, I know it's a huge property, but 65 nights in a single year should count for something, I think. I'm not asking for the presidential suite every time, but it'd be nice to get something more than the rule book as well.

Anyway, the lounge has improved a lot so I guess I don't complain too much, but still.
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Originally Posted by Tim O'Brien View Post
had a phone call from Corp liason this afternoon, all points back in account, and open again.

they told me they stopped the shipments from the vendor.

said they accessed my account via what they consider a compromised email account, altered the email address, altered delivery address, then proceeded to order items online to be delivered to their address.

told they stopped the vendor from shipping, and got the recipient address.

i hope they prosecute.
Tim,
I am very glad to hear your points and account have been returned. I was mostly at IBC at Sydney2000.
best wishes
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Old Feb 21, 18, 9:47 pm
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Guessing that the number of points involved will trigger very deep investigation of the loss, and the original accrual methods. Personally I canít understand why anyone would hoard so many points, knowing the IT issues and the devaluation risk. Raises a few questions ...
they've returned all the points.

i use them for leverage for upgrades, and mainly stay in presidential suites, and secondary, if booked. it's just a matter of cost benefit analysis, has worked well for me over the years. i am a happy camper
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Originally Posted by JohnSydney2000 View Post


Tim,
I am very glad to hear your points and account have been returned. I was mostly at IBC at Sydney2000.
best wishes
thanks, i'm happy too, i was responsible for the International Broadcast Centre, the Main Press Centre ( MPC) and Media at all venues from '98

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Old Feb 21, 18, 9:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Tim O'Brien View Post
they've returned all the points.

i use them for leverage for upgrades, and mainly stay in presidential suites, and secondary, if booked. it's just a matter of cost benefit analysis, has worked well for me over the years. i am a happy camper
How do you use them for leverage, out of curiosity? Do clerks get impressed at the mid seven figure balance? Or do you use them somehow?
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