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Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend

JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

[Archived - no longer valid] New (Royal) Ambassador Criteria

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Old Jan 17, 18, 9:33 am
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I see today that I've been remade an RA after downgrade. I also see that the status update on the 4th Jan has changed to so that it reads royal ambassador renewal and then on the 16th RA status.

Confusing times, but I'll take it.
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I made TA in the original wave.

My expiry still says 30/12/2018

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it looks like the post Jan 4 renewals are populating end of Jan, 2019, their IT must be programmed on a year out?
The email said Jan 2019, the app says Dec 30 2018. So same confusion as always. Nothing new here.
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The email said Jan 2019, the app says Dec 30 2018. So same confusion as always. Nothing new here.
It's all about generating uncertainty
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Old Jan 17, 18, 7:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Tim O'Brien View Post
It's all about generating uncertainty
They are being exceedingly efficient in that regard.

It's a great program, however. Considerably better than Hyatt or Starwood/Marriott in my opinion and with better hotels.

Wife always has a big smile when I tell her we're staying at an IC. Wish the benefits were extended to CPs and Kimpton
when there are no ICs in the area.
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They are being exceedingly efficient in that regard.

It's a great program, however. Considerably better than Hyatt or Starwood/Marriott in my opinion and with better hotels.

Wife always has a big smile when I tell her we're staying at an IC. Wish the benefits were extended to CPs and Kimpton
when there are no ICs in the area.
yes, particularly given the small footprint

Lifetime RA would also make the program more competitive.........
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One of my friends who spend over 10K USD last year in IC but dropped contacted to there. He renewed. Thanks for your update information and also congratulations for you!
Thank you very much Raynyan and FTer! Thanks to everyone I was able to continue Royal Ambassador.
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Originally Posted by His Grace The Duke Of Twickenham View Post
They are being exceedingly efficient in that regard.

It's a great program, however. Considerably better than Hyatt or Starwood/Marriott in my opinion and with better hotels.

Wife always has a big smile when I tell her we're staying at an IC. Wish the benefits were extended to CPs and Kimpton
when there are no ICs in the area.
I am not sure it is anymore, it definitely used to be but following the changes last year it seems much more comparable especially the upgrade cap at many properties, which makes it far less worthwhile to pay for better rooms and suites. I can categorically say that I had better experiences overall in 2017 with Starwood and Marriott than I had in IC's as a RA and far better value for money. My suite upgrade rate at Marriott ran to around 90% of my stays rather than the less than 10% I had at IC's.

There are some really crappy IC's in amongst the good too, I spent my time in more than my fair share of them last year in Amsterdam, Doha, Frankfurt, London (both), Bangkok etc. Room upgrades seem to be worse, the footprint is tiny and doesn't really meet my total needs meaning that I NEED to have status in another chain. The only remaining unique and worthwhile benefit is the minibar and I am coming to the conclusion it really isn't worth that much.

Despite renewing RA I still have no IC stays booked this year and I am not hugely inclined to book any.
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The upgrade cap is theory. The properties are not obligated to upgrade you two categrories into a presidential but there was no any obligation to do so before. But they still can and do. Under the old regime you were entitled to "a" suite. This did not require any exclusions. Under the new regime you are entitled to a strict two category upgrade. This requires strict exclusions. In 2018 i have 12 IC nights year to date and 7 of these were spend with upgrades to "excluded" suites, one with a three category upgrade and four with a generous suite upgrade (for small cash) on an award stay over NYE (cash price was 3k USD, I paid 600k plus points). I cannot complain and got the feeling, the programme got better and more predictable. Happy to be renewed.
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The upgrade cap is theory. The properties are not obligated to upgrade you two categrories into a presidential but there was no any obligation to do so before. But they still can and do. Under the old regime you were entitled to "a" suite. This did not require any exclusions. Under the new regime you are entitled to a strict two category upgrade. This requires strict exclusions. In 2018 i have 12 IC nights year to date and 7 of these were spend with upgrades to "excluded" suites, one with a three category upgrade and four with a generous suite upgrade (for small cash) on an award stay over NYE (cash price was 3k USD, I paid 600k plus points). I cannot complain and got the feeling, the programme got better and more predictable. Happy to be renewed.
That is very much property dependant. The majority of my stays last year saw upgrades to rooms not noticeably better than the ones I paid for. That has been pretty consistent for me the only honourable exception being the IC Hong Kong. Happy to be renewed and have options this year but I do not believe the programme is what it was and that it is worth jumping through opaque hoops to renew in future.
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yes, particularly given the small footprint

Lifetime RA would also make the program more competitive.........
Completely agree on the Lifetime RA!
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Completely agree on the Lifetime RA!
I can't see any party disagreeing with the notion - except perhaps IHG, and the hotels .

The notion of no-longer-frequent travellers with time on their hands selecting off-season rates for weeks away in suites with club lounge and mini-bar as comforts will send shudders through the corporate teams

I think the best lifetime award you could expect might be Spire. Something of marginal utility for guests, and little inconvenience to hotel management. And even then there'd have to something like the Lufthansa caveat restricting the duration of the award by granting it only to those over 60 years of age. Knowing IHG, that would be upped to 75....
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I can't see any party disagreeing with the notion - except perhaps IHG, and the hotels .

The notion of no-longer-frequent travellers with time on their hands selecting off-season rates for weeks away in suites with club lounge and mini-bar as comforts will send shudders through the corporate teams

I think the best lifetime award you could expect might be Spire. Something of marginal utility for guests, and little inconvenience to hotel management. And even then there'd have to something like the Lufthansa caveat restricting the duration of the award by granting it only to those over 60 years of age. Knowing IHG, that would be upped to 75....
why should this send shudders? Off season traveller booking suites and using the facilities a hotel needs to provide anyhow are the guests a hotel is longing for. A suite sold off season with 50'percent discount is better than an empty suite. Starwood and Hilton understood this.
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IHG is unique amongst the major international programs in not having lifetime top-tier status.

If granting lifetime top-tier status is as economically dreadful for the chain and hotels as you suggest, I suspect that IHG won't be so alone in not having it.

But then again, the IHG Rewards/Ambassador program is pretty deficient in terms of the spread of tiers and the benefits attached to each, so perhaps the mistake is pitching IHG up against the other major programs in the first place.
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why should this send shudders? Off season traveller booking suites and using the facilities a hotel needs to provide anyhow are the guests a hotel is longing for. A suite sold off season with 50'percent discount is better than an empty suite. Starwood and Hilton understood this.
Hotels are perfectly free to dump suites at the rates of standard rooms. They can even throw in lounge access, breakfast, afternoon teas, cocktails, canapés and free mini-bars to attract the elusive prize of the off season traveller. But it's a marketing strategy that has yet to catch on.

IHG had a tough enough job persuading ICs to offer "universal" club access and other refinements to RAs. The quid pro quo was convincing the hotel owners and managers that RAs were contributing substantial revenue to the IC pool. The reaction of that hard-nosed crew to news that they'd be asked to provide the same high level facilities for a further twenty, thirty or more years to guests no longer satisfying any revenue requirements isn't hard to imagine.

I'm not suggesting that all life-time RAs would behave in an opportunistic way, but human nature being what it is there'd likely be a significant subset out to maximise their programme benefits over a couple of decades.
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