New RA qualifying criteria based on IC Revenue

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Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend

JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

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Old Jan 9, 18, 3:25 pm
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Originally Posted by turner32 View Post
I'm way over $10k, but not been renewed. Adjusted stays have done for me, and I'm now at the mercy of David Canty and Keith Barr. Crazy
Don't adjusted stays still ultimately hit the EQP too? It seems a much more trouble free approach than in the past.
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Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles View Post


Don't adjusted stays still ultimately hit the EQP too? It seems a much more trouble free approach than in the past.
You'd think so. However, nothing back from David Canty, but it seems that Keith Barr has sent my email on to Executive Office at SLC., so fingers
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But it’s not a loyalty program, it’s a rewards program. The hint is in the name

Rewards club, previously Priority is the US system, historically about point accumulation, for free nights.

Ambassador, is the old Six Continents, Engliish Loyalty system, all about status, like English aristocracy, and benefits.
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Congrats, But this is ridiculous. It seems that criteria is only depends on ADR. This totally distorted the meaning, spirit of “loyalty program”. (Of course, this is not poster’s fault.)

All of readers of this thread who dropped from RA with over 10K USD spend in IC should to send complaint mail to David Canty and Keith Barr.



it's not just the ADR, it's the ADR multiplied by the number of nights, and then potentially, ancillary spend.

it's simply all about IC net spend.

need to get out of the old mindset of nights, number of properties, how many IC's, and non IC IHG nights etc.....

it's all about the money, IC money.

i think you'd be better off, asking for consideration, as oppossed to setting a tone of complaint........
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it's not just the ADR, it's the ADR multiplied by the number of nights, and then potentially, ancillary spend.

it's simply all about IC net spend.
I donít agree with you. At least I know three people who spend over 10K USD in only IC could not renewed.
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I donít agree with you. At least I know three people who spend over 10K USD in only IC could not renewed.
assuming people are being accurate, and honest, i don't see that in the data points, being reported here.

although, it's possible the hurdle is marginally higher than USD10K, but if so not by much. they may have opted for say 10.5K?

it's also a possibility, the three you mention, may have had manually adjusted stays etc, impacting the algorithm.

they should always request a manual count, particulary if they have records demonstrating net spend exceeding US10K.
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Originally Posted by Raynyan View Post
I donít agree with you. At least I know three people who spend over 10K USD in only IC could not renewed.
But this does -not- contradict the hypothesis that the IT triggered RA-enrollment/renewing after having had 10kUSD net spend in qualifying nights in ICs in 2017

Manually adjusted stays, overlapping stays, non-qualifying stays, reward nights, BOGO-stays (because sometimes incorrectly posted as non-qualifying) may not count.
Furthermore, spend is not always posted accurately in qualifying stays: upsells, club lounge access (for amb) may be not considered, etc. pp.
Sometimes stays just disappear from the app after checking out, sometimes X,000USD stay is posted twice with 0 and 20*X,000 points, which in the latter case results in an overlapping stay...
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But this does -not- contradict the hypothesis that the IT triggered RA-enrollment/renewing after having had 10kUSD net spend in qualifying nights in ICs in 2017
I think your hypothesis is a little bit wrong. Probably USD 10K is one of the factor. But not key point.
I think there is some iff (Necessary and sufficient condition).

Upsell, overlapping stays may not count, I know. It’s a precondition of this discussion. Those three people who I know is fully understand about it and it doesn’t included.

Some one said this is reward program, not loyalty program. It’s really ironic. I have renewed RA. Yes, it’s easy for my performance. But if this system doesn’t consider the loyalty, I’m not happy. Only 8 nights?? Crazy.
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Assuming anyone here is not lying regarding to their own stats, I am pretty sure that minimum 10,200USD net spend in QNs in at least 2 ICs was sufficient.
Which other parameters could be considered as necessary? Nights? Nope. Minimum absolute or relativ F&B spend? Nope.

Loyalty is a farce anyway. Almost no one is upright loyal to the brand, much more to the status.
And I think IHG is very well advised to reward somebody who spends over $ 10,000 in just only 8 nights. That is great value for the chain that needs to be bound in the future
At least better value than 11K in 60 nights...
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Loyalty is a farce anyway..
Seriously?? Yes, I agree many of “Hotel Hoppers” prefer this way like simply spend over 10K USD. But I’m not Hotel Hopper. And I believe all of GMs don’t hope this way. They are very conscious to loyalty. That’s the reason I always receive the benefit more than RA.

Anyway my point is if key is over 10K USD spend only, it’s not fair some one receive RA status only 8 nights, but some one not received over 60 nights. Both of them have over 10K USD with qualifying spend.
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I only referred to the necessary and sufficient criteria that you mentioned and have indirectly asked what you think, which criteria might still be necessary in your opinion.
I do not know what is "fair", but in my opinion it is a fair assumption that someone who transacts 166USD per night (with total 60 nights) tends to "earn" fewer benefits than someone who transacts 1250EUR per night (with total 8 nights).
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Corporate at SLC have renewed me. Don't bother with David Canty, Keith Barr is your man. [email protected] Ridiculous that you have to go right to the top, but, it's worked. Thanks Keith!
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Originally Posted by Cielito_ View Post
I only referred to the necessary and sufficient criteria that you mentioned and have indirectly asked what you think, which criteria might still be necessary in your opinion.
I do not know what is "fair", but in my opinion it is a fair assumption that someone who transacts 166USD per night (with total 60 nights) tends to "earn" fewer benefits than someone who transacts 1250EUR per night (with total 8 nights).
I don’t disagree. That is the reason I mentioned ADR. In addition, ADR is considered in IC only.
However I strongly hope to IHG to consider the loyalty. I’m not happy if I receive same benefit and treatment to only 8 nights guest.


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Assuming average ADR (including secondary spend) X USD/night is a necessary criterion, then X is actually >= 197 (11,800/60)
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Are we all sure that the criterion is total spend per year rather than total spend plus a minimum average nightly spend? My average nightly net spend was over $250

This would be fully consistent with trying to limit RA numbers from cheap China mainland stays.
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