New RA qualifying criteria based on IC Revenue

    Hide Wikipost
Old Jan 21, 19, 10:31 pm   -   Wikipost
Please read: This is a community-maintained wiki post containing the most important information from this thread. You may edit the Wiki once you have been on FT for 90 days and have made 90 posts.
 
Last edit by: Tim O'Brien
Wiki Link
Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend

JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
================================================== =====
NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
================================================== =====
NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
================================================== =====

tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
================================================== =====
NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
==================================================
NAME IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s

[Archived - no longer valid] New (Royal) Ambassador Criteria

A document was unintenionally available in the internet about changes to the (Royal) Ambassador Qualifying and Re-Qualifying criteria.
The document is available on

http://viewfromthewing.img.boardinga...Ambassador.pdf

Older discussion
There was an ongoing discussion about the criteria for some time. This thread is now closed.
Print Wikipost

Reply

Old Jan 10, 17, 12:12 am
  #1531  
Marriott Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: YUL
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,131
Originally Posted by scubaccr View Post
AND
If you even just take Pseodo Nim IC Spend then 58 x $9500 = 551,000, beating both Hannes08 and Tarrek.h

SO..... Back to the drawing board, regards the speculation and guessing game for RA renewal thresholds???
Maybe they just don't like me. Nobody likes me lately.
Pseudo Nim is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 12:15 am
  #1532  
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Midlands, UK
Programs: FB Plat, IHG RA Spire, TK Elite+, HH Diamond, LH SEN
Posts: 869
Damn, i am genuinely gutted I didn't make RA. For my business stays, I couldn't care less in all honesty. The big hitter is for my personal / vacation stays, that's where it hits home the hardest. Mrs Lewis42 truly loves the big suites and lounges to over-indulge in.
Lewis42 is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 1:38 am
  #1533  
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 1
Royal Ambassador Renewal

This year the Royal Ambassador renewal take place very early. I have called them and they responded the new cut-off date would be the last day of the year.
samuellok is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 4:36 am
  #1534  
NKU
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Programs: Qantas Gold / ROP Gold / RA Spire -IHG/ Diamond Hilton
Posts: 20
Originally Posted by Lewis42 View Post
Damn, i am genuinely gutted I didn't make RA. For my business stays, I couldn't care less in all honesty. The big hitter is for my personal / vacation stays, that's where it hits home the hardest. Mrs Lewis42 truly loves the big suites and lounges to over-indulge in.
if you were to Australia where IC property is, I shall book that for you!

You ou get there upgrades, you pay... I got the spending and nights count

Deal?
NKU is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 5:09 am
  #1535  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NYC
Programs: IHG, RC, HH, AA, QF, UA, Aeroplan
Posts: 2,386
Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim View Post
Maybe they just don't like me. Nobody likes me lately.
if you're really feeling depressed, call and ask for Joy at Makati, she'll do the trick for you.

she may have had hormonial issues, but if you're looking for clarification regarding your depressed state, she's the person for the job

actually on that subject we shld have a wiki regarding Makati personnel.

i have a few favs there.

i put Joy, and Chris on the "I refuse to talk with them" list

they shouldn't even be employed there.
Tim O'Brien is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 5:13 am
  #1536  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NYC
Programs: IHG, RC, HH, AA, QF, UA, Aeroplan
Posts: 2,386
Originally Posted by Lewis42 View Post
Damn, i am genuinely gutted I didn't make RA. For my business stays, I couldn't care less in all honesty. The big hitter is for my personal / vacation stays, that's where it hits home the hardest. Mrs Lewis42 truly loves the big suites and lounges to over-indulge in.
what were your numbers for 2016?
Tim O'Brien is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 7:31 am
  #1537  
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Midlands, UK
Programs: FB Plat, IHG RA Spire, TK Elite+, HH Diamond, LH SEN
Posts: 869
Originally Posted by Tim O'Brien View Post
what were your numbers for 2016?
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010. I separately calculated that I had approx. 9k at IC's alone.
Lewis42 is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 7:32 am
  #1538  
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Midlands, UK
Programs: FB Plat, IHG RA Spire, TK Elite+, HH Diamond, LH SEN
Posts: 869
Originally Posted by NKU View Post
if you were to Australia where IC property is, I shall book that for you!

You ou get there upgrades, you pay... I got the spending and nights count

Deal?
Ah, erm, eh, errr, arg.
Lewis42 is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 7:52 am
  #1539  
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Korea, USA
Programs: IC RA / Marriott PP+Amb / WOH Explorist / OZ Diamond Plus
Posts: 264
Originally Posted by Lewis42 View Post
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010. I separately calculated that I had approx. 9k at IC's alone.
Ah... less than 10k at ICs.. sorry for that.
scienm is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 10:00 am
  #1540  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NYC
Programs: IHG, RC, HH, AA, QF, UA, Aeroplan
Posts: 2,386
Originally Posted by Lewis42 View Post
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010. I separately calculated that I had approx. 9k at IC's alone.
that's c USD230 ADR for the IC's, and c USD184 for the non IC IHG brands, does that sound right?

ie 39 IC nights x $230 = 9K

38 non IC IHG nights x $184 = 7K

total spend USD16K

depending on when your year end was, if i was you, i'd send an email with your stats explained, as 77/39/10 wld have satisfied the old 60/20/3, and the speculated about 75/30/3, and the revenue is close to the USD10K we talk about, plus the additional non IC IHG spend.

in the old days, manual counts were required for the nights the system didn't calculate properly. i can't see why those Adjusted Stays, and Overlaping Nights etc wld not have impacted the calculation for RA renewal under the new criteria.
Tim O'Brien is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 11:15 am
  #1541  
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Midlands, UK
Programs: FB Plat, IHG RA Spire, TK Elite+, HH Diamond, LH SEN
Posts: 869
Originally Posted by Tim O'Brien View Post
that's c USD230 ADR for the IC's, and c USD184 for the non IC IHG brands, does that sound right?

ie 39 IC nights x $230 = 9K

38 non IC IHG nights x $184 = 7K

total spend USD16K

depending on when your year end was, if i was you, i'd send an email with your stats explained, as 77/39/10 wld have satisfied the old 60/20/3, and the speculated about 75/30/3, and the revenue is close to the USD10K we talk about, plus the additional non IC IHG spend.

in the old days, manual counts were required for the nights the system didn't calculate properly. i can't see why those Adjusted Stays, and Overlaping Nights etc wld not have impacted the calculation for RA renewal under the new criteria.
hmmm I'll give them a call, I emailed twice but just got very generic template responses.

Ill do do it over the next couple of days, I'll report back after I've attempted my mission.
Lewis42 is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 1:37 pm
  #1542  
Marriott Contributor BadgeAccor Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: BNE
Programs: QF WP, VS Gold, IHG RA, A Club Plat.
Posts: 2,016
Originally Posted by Tim O'Brien View Post

in the old days, manual counts were required for the nights the system didn't calculate properly. i can't see why those Adjusted Stays, and Overlaping Nights etc wld not have impacted the calculation for RA renewal under the new criteria.
It would be a fair assumption that the system ignores adjusted and overlapping stays today just as it did a year ago.
markis10 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 2:32 pm
  #1543  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Berkshire
Programs: BAEC GGL/CCR/LTG
Posts: 615
I tried to qualify last year but failed. I did 55 nights in IHG hotels with 24 nights in ICs at 7 different locations.

I was interested in my EQPs but forgot to look at them before the year ended. I just got an email from Ambassador titled 'Your 2016 travel at a glance' and I note that I had 237512 EQPs. I assume that equates to US$23.5K? So I would say that I was a reasonably high spender, but my night count was not high enough.

My first two weeks of 2017 have started 'well' on the qualification path. I've got 3 nights so far, with 2 different IC stays in Vienna and Miami. Most of my IC stays last year were from June onwards, so I am hoping that I might be able to qualify mid year. Who knows what the score is now with all these qualification shenanigans going on.
BA038_Passenger is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 5:15 pm
  #1544  
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Amsterdam, Asia, UK
Programs: IHG RA (Spire), HH Diamond, MR Platinum, SQ Gold, KLM Gold, BAEC Gold
Posts: 5,006
Originally Posted by BA038_Passenger View Post
I tried to qualify last year but failed. I did 55 nights in IHG hotels with 24 nights in ICs at 7 different locations.

I was interested in my EQPs but forgot to look at them before the year ended. I just got an email from Ambassador titled 'Your 2016 travel at a glance' and I note that I had 237512 EQPs. I assume that equates to US$23.5K? So I would say that I was a reasonably high spender, but my night count was not high enough.

My first two weeks of 2017 have started 'well' on the qualification path. I've got 3 nights so far, with 2 different IC stays in Vienna and Miami. Most of my IC stays last year were from June onwards, so I am hoping that I might be able to qualify mid year. Who knows what the score is now with all these qualification shenanigans going on.
HadesNL qualified with 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts..... certainly on $$$$'s at IC the reason and suprise to some only 20x IC nights + IC Dining accounting for virually all the $20k spend.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27708462-post1382.html
Anguished scream!

Checked today and seem to have qualified for Royal (spire) Ambassador.
My stay pattern for 2016 was and booked:
IC Paris LeGrand 3n club room
IC Vienna 1n junior suite
IC Parklane 2n superior room with bogo
IC O2 3n superior room
IC Frankfurt 1n juniorsuite
IC Miami 4n executive suite
IC Toronto Yorkville 6n juniorsuite
Thrown in are stays at Indigo Edinburgh / Crowne Plaza Amsterdam.

Admittingly we spend some extra $ at hotel's signature restaurants etc .

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27709460-post1394.html
My spend was in/about 20.000 usd via private account. I don't have a corporate rate and book always under leisure profile. For example last IC Miami stay was total room rate $3000.

We did some "expensive" dinners hosting friends at Parklane/LeGrand/Miami/O2 so that might have tipped it - we charge everything to the room.
scubaccr is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 10, 17, 7:24 pm
  #1545  
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 5,552
Originally Posted by scubaccr View Post
HadesNL qualified with 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts..... certainly on $$$$'s at IC the reason and suprise to some only 20x IC nights + IC Dining accounting for virually all the $20k spend.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27708462-post1382.html
Anguished scream!

Checked today and seem to have qualified for Royal (spire) Ambassador.
My stay pattern for 2016 was and booked:
IC Paris LeGrand 3n club room
IC Vienna 1n junior suite
IC Parklane 2n superior room with bogo
IC O2 3n superior room
IC Frankfurt 1n juniorsuite
IC Miami 4n executive suite
IC Toronto Yorkville 6n juniorsuite
Thrown in are stays at Indigo Edinburgh / Crowne Plaza Amsterdam.

Admittingly we spend some extra $ at hotel's signature restaurants etc .

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27709460-post1394.html
My spend was in/about 20.000 usd via private account. I don't have a corporate rate and book always under leisure profile. For example last IC Miami stay was total room rate $3000.

We did some "expensive" dinners hosting friends at Parklane/LeGrand/Miami/O2 so that might have tipped it - we charge everything to the room.
I still think my earlier guess at the criteria is pretty close:

$10k IC spend + 3 ICs
OR
$20k total spend + 30~40 IC nights + 3 ICs

Everyone who re-qualified meets that, and no-one who was demoted does.
1010101 is offline  
Reply With Quote

Thread Tools
Search this Thread