IHG Rewards on loyaltylobby.com
Thinking that articles about the IHG Rewards program are approached in a generally biased way on loyaltylobby.com (unlike the Marriott or Hyatt loyalty programs, for example), I sent recently a comment about it.
This article generated a lot of comments, which generated a second, more balanced article. Your comments are more than welcome. |
I find quite a bit of LoyaltyLobby's content to be very "me me me" and ego-stroking, but I tend to agree with a lot of the criticism towards IHG and have some of my own:
khabah |
For starters, I tend to skip over articles written by Sebastian on LL as, let's say, I don't care so much for the style and quality of the contributions. Of course this is entirely a personal preference.
Overall on the IHG Rewards topic, I'm pretty much with khabah on this and can see the point LL is highlighting. IHG is okay for me these days for certain properties I frequent and like, but they lost my loyalty in general over time with me dropping from 100+ nights a year to 10-20 (Covid times aside) these days. I have been AMB since 2003 and was RA for ~10-11 years and the program just doesn't work that well for my purposes any longer. Spire as an IHG Rewards top status is totally underwhelming and flaky on guaranteed benefits and not worth any effort on its own. AMB is okay if I got stays planned where it may get me a decent 1-category upgrade and I do appreciate the 4pm late checkout, but the new rules to have hotels get away with 10k points for not granting certain benefits encourages the wrong behavior in some properties that like to play games. I'm also ticked off about the crappy way IHG handled AMB certificate extensions so far with the absolutely laughable 2x 3 months extensions being all they have done so far. One family member already lost a certificate after 4 tries to use it failed and mine will be next soon. Appeals fell on deaf ears so IHG will move further to the bottom due to what I consider a sh**ty approach to that topic. Other chains have shown how to go about that, IHG did not care so far. Lastly, Nicholas, your travel profile is not really comparable to many others who stay with IHG. I can see why it may work much better for you with RA and also (probably more importantly) strong relationships and repeat stays at select properties that treat you very well. Such treatment and reward of loyalty at the individual hotel level is one of the things that makes me still frequent certain ICs even though there are very good options from other chains around as well. Just that these days I rather pay for certain rooms or benefits I want instead of hoping my IHG loyalty status will make it happen. :) YMMV |
Putting IC aside, IHG used to compensate the lack of hard benefits (breakfast, club, ...) by having a great return in terms of points. But gone are the days of the promotions stacking like crazy and I've found accelerate promotions to miss my travel pattern. Since I am usually better treated as a Hilton Diamond or Marriott Titanium/Platinum than as a Spire and the point return is not so biased towards IHG any longer, I can therefore understand the negative feel.
As for IC, Ambassador provides a great set of benefits for a reasonable price, even though the possibility for hotels to get around upgrade / late check out for 10k points was quite a disappointing change. I would have preferred the fee to increase but maintain guaranteed benefits. I have been a Royal Ambassador for a couple of years and I quite enjoyed the treatment at most hotels, much better indeed than as a Diamond or Titanium. So I was of course disappointed to lose it a few years ago. While I can see the point of being a "by invitation" tier, visible thresholds would probably have pushed me to spend a bit more to maintain it. Having clear goals helps with the "gamification" of loyalty programs, if I were a loyalty blogger I would also prefer such program to keep my readers entertained. I'll grab more attention with "spend 15 nights however cheap and get free club access and upgrades" than with "spend 200usd for ambassador then 20,000usd in hotels and get free club access and upgrades" |
Originally Posted by demue
(Post 33064890)
Overall on the IHG Rewards topic, I'm pretty much with khabah on this and can see the point LL is highlighting. IHG is okay for me these days for certain properties I frequent and like, but they lost my loyalty in general over time with me dropping from 100+ nights a year to 10-20 (Covid times aside) these days.
I have been AMB since 2003 and was RA for ~10-11 years and the program just doesn't work that well for my purposes any longer. Spire as an IHG Rewards top status is totally underwhelming and flaky on guaranteed benefits and not worth any effort on its own. AMB is okay if I got stays planned where it may get me a decent 1-category upgrade and I do appreciate the 4pm late checkout, but the new rules to have hotels get away with 10k points for not granting certain benefits encourages the wrong behavior in some properties that like to play games. I'm also ticked off about the crappy way IHG handled AMB certificate extensions so far with the absolutely laughable 2x 3 months extensions being all they have done so far. One family member already lost a certificate after 4 tries to use it failed and mine will be next soon. Appeals fell on deaf ears so IHG will move further to the bottom due to what I consider a sh**ty approach to that topic. Other chains have shown how to go about that, IHG did not care so far. The test for me came when I was booted out in a year where I'd chalked up just over 100 paid IC nights at hotels on all continents, and another 50 or so in other IHG brands. I got a free year as Ambassador, delivered with IHG's wish that I would continue to strive towards a return Royal Ambassador status. I'm afraid they're disappointed there: my pastures new are Bonvoy and HH. Now I'm down to a half a dozen HI and HIX nights each year and a couple of stays at ICs where they continue to treat me well, an RA manqué. I note that RA privileges have been cut in quite a few areas, but I'm pleased to report "my" hotels continue with the earlier system of benefits. I'm pretty sure Nicolas continues to receive benefits of the ancien régime: I remember an elegantly dressed Frenchman next to me at the Semiramis reception, arguing forcefully that his RA status demanded club access (that was back in the days when such luxury was not guaranteed to us RAs). Maybe that wasn't our valued contributor Nicolas, but the chap gave me a valuable lesson in how to secure my rights :) Any residual bitterness about my sacking aside, and as someone tangentially involved in marketing, I'm puzzled by a couple of things in IHG's loyalty programme:
At the end of the day Ambassador membership might work for some, just not for me. |
I stopped visiting loyalty lobby and unsubscribed from emails etc about a year or so ago.
I travel a lot for work and across a few chains, so things happen and things don't always go to plan. But when you would read the compensation clinic articles, it came across to me that it was the slightest sillyest things that would be getting complained about, and then it was almost with great fanfare they would grandstand how they got x amount of compensation, and in such a smarmy patronising way I feel. I would think to myself each time after reading how much I'd hate to be like that myself, almost lording over the staff and hotel and think why do I read this. So just took my clicks elsewhere. I personally use this site, tpg and headforpoints these days and sub to thier mails instead. If you don't like a site or thier options, just move on and put your clicks elsewhere, if enough folk do, they'll change sooner or later. |
Love it or hate it, John et al are actually living in hotels full-time. I find that perspective far more valuable than the cut-and-paste from corporate marketing other larger websites are prone to.
When you stay a lot in hotels, you realise that IHG simply isn't competitive when it comes to elite benefits and in the absence of lucrative Accelerate promos, the earn/burn isn't there either. Is that biased, or just telling people what they may not know? |
Well, I surely miss those stackable x-nights 10k points promos. ;) My colleagues back then didn't understand why I would stay at a (new) HIX a bit further away over a Novotel nearer to client offices. Ahh those were the days.
While I appreciate that such things won't last (RIP BMI Diamond Club), as others outlined, at least then the rewards one could reap aligned with the name of the program and helped to overlook lack of strong benefits. These days it neither allows for outsized points accruals nor provides strong benefits. YMMV |
From my point of view, it makes a difference, if you stay frequently in the same hotel over a long time or have only a high / the highest status, like IAN-UK mentioned in his post. And loyaltylobby and all the other bloggers tend to review a hotel or program quite often only after one stays or one year of membership. The reports of their stays are in a certain way helpful, as you see the real life pictures. But rating a hotel after just one stay is simply not the way a balanced review could and should be done.
It is also not the way, loyalty is built. You learn that, if you have your go-to hotel in certain cities or places over a long time. It takes time to built a kind of relationship with the hotels. And having a high status in the frequent guest program is only one element. In so far, I am by no way surprised about the upgrades some members of Flyertalk receive and others do not. And to me, it is far more important what I get in the hotel I use frequently. Because this keeps me returning. In the blogs - and loyaltylobby is only one of them - you read how to maximize and somehow beat the system. And yes a breakfast or hors d'oeuvres in the club lounge could be nice. But could this be really compared to a light dinner in a proper (hotel) restaurant as alex suggested in a comment on loyaltylobby? There are more moments, when I am happy to pay to have a nice relaxed dinner or breakfast rather the overcrowded buffet fighting in lounges. Or simply could not get in the lounge because I have to work (and you do not work on tender documents in a public space). Sometimes, I even prefer the hotels where not everybody gets lounge access. In so far, nicolas75 , you have a valid point. |
Originally Posted by IAN-UK
(Post 33065022)
I'm pretty sure Nicolas continues to receive benefits of the ancien régime: I remember an elegantly dressed Frenchman next to me at the Semiramis reception, arguing forcefully that his RA status demanded club access (that was back in the days when such luxury was not guaranteed to us RAs). Maybe that wasn't our valued contributor Nicolas, but the chap gave me a valuable lesson in how to secure my rights :)
At Semiramis, I always receive Nile view executive suite with of course club lounge access when booking cheapest rate (I must say I love atmosphere and quality of service at the club lounge). During my last stay, I booked 1 month subscription for a friend at the hotel's gym (he was staying at a rented house for a project, and asked me if I could arrange something for him at the hotel I would stay at). At check out, the gym club subscription was offered without asking! (USD 150 value). I was also simply amazed at Semiramis by the quality of service delivered at concierge desk: chef concierge found (on Sunday!) two bicycles to be rented (actually, he knew someone in a parking lot who could rent us 2 bicycles, from a rent a bike store that was closed that day). |
Very pleasant stay at InterContinental Bordeaux last week
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Great stay stay at InterContinental Marseille this weekend
Lovely stay with amazing weather.
Upgraded to executive harbor view with terrace. So pleasant to get a sunny terrace to have lunch (and remember times before Covid-19). First time since a long time that minibar was operational. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...558627aec.jpeg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...359dd5415.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...506ab1120.jpeg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...db364576a.jpeg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...fb1125062.jpeg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...49e8dac66.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...8dfc3ce2b.jpeg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3a6cc8bde.jpeg |
Wasn't the point of this thread to discuss the IHG Rewards program as a follow-up to criticism of the program on LoyaltyLobby? It seems it's now turning into a glowing review thread for one member's unicorn experiences as a top-tier status holder.
khabah |
Upon reading the title I was expecting a compliant about framing IHG Rewards too positively.
Quiet surprised with the complaint... RA life was generally very good (with the occasional disappointment or stingy property). The cold shower came after not being renewed despite a 13k IC room rate excl tax spent. Without any margin reconsideration it was decided that I was out... Something I still don't understand. From what OP posts I can only have the impression that his experiences are not what a standard RA receives. I am happy to see that at least some guests remain valued, and are enjoying it. Albeit IC's selection is very arbitrary. |
Originally Posted by nicolas75
(Post 33067012)
Ahah, that wasn' me ;)
It was a bravura performance but really quite embarrassing. They were difficult days when club lounge access wasn't routinely offered to Royal Ambassadors: but it seemed a tad infra dig to browbeat reception staff into giving in.
Originally Posted by nicolas75
(Post 33067012)
At Semiramis, I always receive Nile view executive suite with of course club lounge access when booking cheapest rate (I must say I love atmosphere and quality of service at the club lounge).
But you'll know when you've made it (in Semiramis terms :D) when they allocate a presidential suite to you. |
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