New RA qualifying criteria based on IC Revenue

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Update 2019: The RA status granted at the start of the calendar year 2017 and 2018 has been based on IC revenue. As from 2019 criteria again have become vague. RA is not achieved through IC spend only. Other, unknown elements are taken into account as well. (Fact: Some users with very high +25k IC spend were not renewed in 2019.)

Update December 2018: it looks like some accounts are proactively being renewed in December 2018, well ahead of the stated expiration of Jan 31, 2019. It is currently unknown what criteria were used, but previous years appeared to indicate around $10K++ in IC spend only.

As before, please Divide EQPs by 10 to get $$$ Spend
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December 2019 / January 2020 Link to RA Renewals & Upgrades
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JANUARY 2019 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 73 IC nights, $14.6K IC spend ($17.7K total),
Shoven 70 (50) IC nights, $17.3K IC spend ($17.3K total),
Unterwegs 52 IC nights, approx $12K net IC spend. No other brands this year! No more mediocre HIs to make status.
Kaix 63 IC nights, $14.4K IC spend ($15.1K total)
Tim O'Brien 26 IC Paid Nights as at Dec 27, when notified of RA renewal, 140,171 EQP, IC Net Spend 14, 017.
Vsevolod4 IHG total 132, IHG total paid 101, IC nights 85, IC Qualified Spend $16.5K, total EQP 398,800, Kimpton nights: 3, RA Ambassador Kit renewed Dec 27, RA renewal (again) and Kimpton Inner Circle upgrade Jan 4.
kaka(mom) 34 nights 1 country (all IC), IC spend:23k USD
Lewis42 / 81 Total (unknown IC) / $16k IC / $2k Kimpton / 4 Continents
81 nights total
$18k Kimpton / IC (about $2k kimpton)
stays in 4 continents

been Ra for ~3-4 years

ID;Name;Confirm;Kit msg; Revenue ;Nights;Challenge?;Additional Info

40;stimpy;+;none; $9,000.00 ;50;?;RA since 2001 - exceptional renewal
38;turner32;-;none; $9,000.00 ;?;?;8/9 years as RA
49;hannes08;+;01/16/2019; $9,990.00 ;52;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
17;Lewis42;+;12/27/2018; $10,000.00 ;?;2000;renewal probably because of challenge
27;scienm;+;none; $10,032.00 ;32;?;8 years RA
25;hclee01;+;none; $10,142.16 ;37;?;current RA since 2014 - manual renewal
18;annihilation;-;none; $10,605.00 ;39;?;
51;crosskonaftw;?;none; $10,700.00 ;35;?;not yet RA
30;Land-of-Miles;+;none; $10,999.00 ;19;?;
16;Kimsbrand;-;none; $11,297.88 ;5;?;not RA yet. 13,532.92 USD total?
48;Urby38;+;12/27/2018; $11,300.00 ;47;?;Royal since 2012
42;SAWorldVoyager;?;12/21/2018; $11,391.52 ;?;?;
14;Cielito_;+;none; $11,511.00 ;62;no;77/62/8 with 12042 USD after batch
45;whimike;+;none; $11,700.00 ;?;?;RA for about 7 years
10;Unterwegs;+;12/27/2018; $12,000.00 ;52;yes;
44;serendipity1211;+;01/16/2019; $12,300.00 ;45;no;first-time RA
28;cazane;+;12/27/2018; $12,600.00 ;61;no;4 prepaid nights not posted until 27th 11890 -> 12600
11;VaBeachGirl;+;12/27/2018; $12,750.00 ;68;no;
50;lukah;?;none; $12,800.00 ;80;?;3 years RA
15;336;-;none; $12,900.00 ;16;2000;NOT completed challenge / Lots of adjusted stays
1;DonPedro;+;12/21/2018; $12,971.00 ;49;no;
47;SD2019;+;none; $13,000.00 ;35;no;stays erroneously adjusted or marked as overlapping
36;BRUSS;+;01/16/2019; $13,001.00 ;?;?;
13;Tim O'Brien;+;12/27/2018; $14,017.00 ;26;?; Kimpton;
33;marlin1978;?;12/27/2018; $14,182.00 ;46;no;
26;Kaix;?;12/27/2018; $14,400.00 ;63;?;
9;Pseudo Nim;+;12/27/2018; $14,600.00 ;73;?;
41;PMMMDL;?;?; $15,000.00 ;50;?;
23;nicolas75;?;12/27/2018; $15,000.00 ;81;?;
5;sharps1337;+;12/21/2018; $15,200.00 ;79;no;
3;Raynyan (friend2);?;12/21/2018; $15,500.00 ;69;no;
22;pantanal;+;12/27/2018; $16,000.00 ;?;?;
24;vsevolod4;+;12/27/2018; $16,319.00 ;84;no;
34;boekel;?;12/27/2018; $16,950.00 ;60;no;
21;ILS2;+;none; $17,000.00 ;40;?;
8;skaya (2x);+;12/27/2018; $17,000.00 ;?;?;
7;shoven;+;12/27/2018; $17,304.00 ;50;?;
51;EmeraldLady;+;12/27/2018; $18,000.00 ;47;?;
32;Mr. Chan;?;12/21/2018; $19,582.00 ;45;yes;completed challenge
46;kaka;+;12/21/2018; $20,001.00 ;34;no;
31;christenlabelle;?;none; $22,000.00 ;51;1k + Kimpton;
39;marcel.baden;?;12/27/2018; $22,000.00 ;77;?;
35;Flying Lawyer;?;12/27/2018; $22,135.00 ;70;?;
37;Roey007;?;none; $25,000.00 ;42;?;9 years RA - 9k adjustment: no kit message with 11k before
12;IThink;+;12/27/2018; $25,000.00 ;85;no;
19;HadesNL;+;12/27/2018; $28,273.90 ;52;?;
4;Raynyan (friend3);?;12/21/2018; $30,000.00 ;73;no;
29;btravers33;?;12/27/2018; $30,000.00 ;98;?;
2;Raynyan (friend1);?;12/21/2018; $32,000.00 ;75;no;
20;Raynyan;+;12/27/2018; ? ;70;?;~30 nights not counted somehow
6;samjnz;?;12/21/2018; ? ;?;2000;


04 JAN 2018 RA RENEWAL STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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NAME.... IHG total (paid)/IC/EQP, break out IC spend if you can
Pseudo Nim 139 (116)/85/192K, of which $18K in IC
Boekel 85 (70)55/170K, of which $15K in IC
Tim O'Brien 29 IC Nights 2 Non IC IHG nights, 341,976 EQP
scubaccr 55 paid IC Nights , us$13,000++ / 4paid non-IC nights us$900++ (plus 8x IC reward nights, 20x non-IC reward nights) <== Sorry.. forgot to cop exact EQP values before 1/1/2018 acct zeroing
Cielito_ 81/77/5 - $7,353 F&B + $11,656 Room = $19,009 IC net spend - EQP 468,000 (First Time RA)
hclee01 50 IC us$13k++
Land-of-Miles ?? IC us$10.5k++
cazane 60 IC us$11.8k++
VaBeachGirl 54 IC us$13k++
PiffPaffPuff 60IC us$25k++
??????? 35 IC us$10.2k++ <== first time RA ref PiffPaffPuff colleague
Spitcool 40 IC us$15k++
Eltham 40 IC us$12k++
shoven 43 IC us$15k++ <== first time RA
skaya (partner) ?? IC us$10.2k++ <== renewed
darby1970 62 IC us$13k++
The Mileage Millionaire 102 paid IHG nights / 100 paid IC nights / 229k EQP / $22.7k++ IC spend
Orion_1 8 nights at IC, spent at 2 properties - USD 10,200 in total at ICs (honeymoon...)
HadesNL Elite qualifying points: 239,095, Qualifying nights: 39
Aussielori 50 IC us$8k++ 9.2k overall renewed on 16 jan

04 JAN 2018 RA LOSS STATS [put total IHG vs. IC if you can]
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tarek.h ?? IC us$9.1k++

sharps1337 IC us$9.9k++ (and 129 non-IC us$17k++ )

04 JAN 2017 RA RENEWAL STATS (Please include 2016 y/end EQP count)
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NAME.... IHG/IC/IC's EQP $$$$s
SCUBACCR 80/56/13 EQP=14,979 (Split $12864 + $2115)
HANNES08 76/46/10 EQP=11,200
OZ_CATALYST 75/63/8 EQP=14,700 (first Time RA) ($12414 at ICs)
TAREK.H 46/37/4 EQP=14.500 ($10,917 IC Spend)
TravelTheWorld66 147/33/11 EQP=27.972 ($8500 IC Spend)
HCLEE01 67/50/6 EQP=14880
ATACAMA40 82/56/10 EQP=??,???
VaBeachGirl 84/42/12 EQP=15,000
Land-of-Miles 87/73/10 EQP=40,000
SSH4POOH 132/99/28 EQP=50,000
???????? 75/35/8 EQP=??,??? (First Time RA, ref SSH4POOH)
iThink 82/36/11 EQP = 18,200
aussielori 75/45/5 EQP =15,100
1010101 50/48/4 = 12,500
MYSTERY7 63/45/? EQP=25,000 (First Time RA)
EmeraldLady 68/42/10 EQP=15,500
NKU 86/80/5 EQP=20,000
Petrus 110/40/3 EQP=20,000 ($8500 IC Spend)
JOHHENRIK 74/65/10 EQP=16,800
SyLance 76/76/4 EQP=17,500 (RA again after 3years missed)
Pseudo Nim 90/58/15 IC spend $9,500, $17K across chain (175K EQP)
Tim O'Brien 58 nights, EQP 474,576 , July 31, 2017 Year End, renewed to Dec 29, 2017
HadesNL 22/20/7 and us$20,000 ref two posts.
PROTEOME 53/36/? $25,000 (Plus further 30x IC Non-qual nights and 18 IC Award nights) <== nb Maybe/Maybe-Not the IC Non-qual $$'s count as about half EQPs spend, probably > 10k IC qual spend
Chinatrvl 88 nights (in all brands, but c. 75 in ICs), 300,000 EQP, ADR c. 115 USD as I stayed mostly on a locally negotiated rate (spend c. 10k USD)
Unterwegs 78(my count 86)/63/10/285.000 (according to email, I would have expected less. my spending estimate is 15-20K$)
Lewis42 77/39/10 EQP=16010
Whimike 88/35/12 EQP=14220

04 JAN 2017 RA Demotion to xxx Ambassador stats (if > 75/30/3)
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[Archived - no longer valid] New (Royal) Ambassador Criteria

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Old Apr 19, 22, 3:31 pm
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I agree and I hope 👍
But the only thing I want from IHG, is Lifetime RA
hear hear!!
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Be interesting to see what happens with RA. The only thing it really provides now is the two cat upgrade, MB credit and the voucher. Not sure that is enough to make this worthwhile. Imo, they'll either scrap it or provide some sort of extra benefits.
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Tim O'Brien : thanks for posting!

The comments section on that website is hilarious

It is a comprehensive overview though.

In my personal position concerning Diamond
- difficulty getting 40 N a year to get milestone rewards: lounge access
- diamond status reachable at spend 12K: so free brekkie

In my personal position concerning RA
- normally yearly amount of nights between 20 - 30 N at different IC & Kimpton only
- yet yearly $ spending at IC & Kimpton at a stable 10-19K
- commited booking jr. suite and upwards

I would be in the running to qualify :
- pure on spend $
for diamond status and RA
- not at all in butt in bed nights
for Diamond milestone rewards at 40 N and upwards


So am going to enjoy untill we see what the future brings for 2023
- If RA might fold into Diamond ?
- If RA reapplies minumum nights criteria?
Still a satisfied RA customer untill then.


My opinion on RA:

I echo nicolas75 and stimpy sentiments that RA treatment at EU/Asian ICs blows
Marriott Ambassador/Hyatt Globalist/Hilton Diamond/Accor Diamond
totally away
because the top status can't be acquired by simply having creditcards (or short cutted to),
which makes you feel appreciated by hotels as a pure spending customer
enjoying THE true top status benefits
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Old Jun 17, 22, 6:16 am
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Have to say, I've lost total track of why or how I get RA these days. Is it just me or is life just way too complex in this area?

Is there a rough guestimate as to how it's achieved these days? Apologies, I used to follow this thread diligently but dropped off the radar for a while. Memo to self .... need to keep up.
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Old Jun 17, 22, 7:55 am
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Have to say, I've lost total track of why or how I get RA these days. Is it just me or is life just way too complex in this area?
I definitely pay a lot less attention since the pandemic. I wonder how the hotels and airlines will reintroduce members to the fact that they have to meet the requirements or they will lose status.
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Old Jun 17, 22, 10:39 pm
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I definitely pay a lot less attention since the pandemic. I wonder how the hotels and airlines will reintroduce members to the fact that they have to meet the requirements or they will lose status.
Precisely that Stimpy. I used to keep fairly much abreast of the loyalty program criteria and indeed changes in programs, even if I met a good deal of the ones I was interested in with some ease. Now I feel like I'm on the baby slopes I might have been 30+ years ago. Touch wood, to date, without any status impact .... that I'm aware of :-)

Mind I just tried the 'ask' get the son into ICPL lounge for breakfast (something done many times over the years at no cost or challenge) only for the request to be met with a polite but firm 'no' ..... not happy with the large churn of familiar and accommodating faces across the sector. Those relationships were hard earned. it all worked just perfectly.
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Precisely that Stimpy. I used to keep fairly much abreast of the loyalty program criteria and indeed changes in programs, even if I met a good deal of the ones I was interested in with some ease. Now I feel like I'm on the baby slopes I might have been 30+ years ago. Touch wood, to date, without any status impact .... that I'm aware of :-)

Mind I just tried the 'ask' get the son into ICPL lounge for breakfast (something done many times over the years at no cost or challenge) only for the request to be met with a polite but firm 'no' ..... not happy with the large churn of familiar and accommodating faces across the sector. Those relationships were hard earned. it all worked just perfectly.
See that last part is what has been turning me off to RA lately, this cheesy stinginess. Ive never had any kids denied at Hyatt - and even though they sometimes wag their finger and say they might charge me, they never do, and they always give extra beds, suites, the works. I truly feel like an elite with Hyatt. IC hmm.
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Mind I just tried the 'ask' get the son into ICPL lounge for breakfast (something done many times over the years at no cost or challenge) only for the request to be met with a polite but firm 'no' ..... not happy with the large churn of familiar and accommodating faces across the sector. Those relationships were hard earned. it all worked just perfectly.
That's too bad. I am happy to say that at Paris le Grand, enough of the long serving staff is still present that my family is welcome to join me in the club.
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Old Jun 18, 22, 2:34 am
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Originally Posted by Atacama40 View Post
Have to say, I've lost total track of why or how I get RA these days. Is it just me or is life just way too complex in this area?

Is there a rough guestimate as to how it's achieved these days? Apologies, I used to follow this thread diligently but dropped off the radar for a while. Memo to self .... need to keep up.
if i was to guess, i'd stay with c. 12K spend, may vary for long term RA's?

the big improvement for RA, will be when they introduce Lifetime RA

i think they need to do to remain competitive .
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I lost track of the whole RA requalification.
Is there any information which brands count for RA?
Can we assume that 10k spending iatthese brands the limit? Or is it still the old 75 nights?
Or is it completely up in the air?
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Old Jun 18, 22, 5:00 am
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That's too bad. I am happy to say that at Paris le Grand, enough of the long serving staff is still present that my family is welcome to join me in the club.
No offence, but we don't travel some area only. Status should be means wherever we go, we should be treated very well. But in my experience, Hyatt offered more solid upgrade and benefit last few years.
I do love some specific ICs where treat RA very well(Le Grand, PL, Osaka), but if we go somewhere else, then what?
Since diamond status fills the gap from now, I hope big improvements for RA program.
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Originally Posted by HadesNL View Post
My opinion on RA:

I echo nicolas75 and stimpy sentiments that RA treatment at EU/Asian ICs blows
Marriott Ambassador/Hyatt Globalist/Hilton Diamond/Accor Diamond
totally away
because the top status can't be acquired by simply having creditcards (or short cutted to),
which makes you feel appreciated by hotels as a pure spending customer
enjoying THE true top status benefits
Thank you for your feedback. I don't want to discount your opinion because perhaps there is something useful I can learn from your experience, but personally, the reason I am not IHG RA while being top tier of all other loyalty programs you mention is specifically because of my (incorrect?) perception that IHG benefits are inferior, based on what I have read from many different people on FT (not based on my own experience). With the improved IHG benefits I intend to stay 70 nights in 2023 and could push the spend to make RA should the program remain alive, but only if benefits end up being worth it.

Marriott: it is not entirely true that credit cards provide shortcuts to Ambassador status; it is for the nights portion but not for the $20k spend part therefore "Pure spending customer" fits the mold here. However I have not been completely pleased in the last few years with AMB status so theoretically I could buy into the argument that IHG RA treats its customers better than Marriott AMB.

Hyatt: yes there is a shortcut via credit cards but suite upgrades are plentiful and will remain better than what IHG has to offer because Hyatt's upgrades can be confirmed months in advance not only 14 days. As others have mentioned, Hyatt often does not come across as stingy and nitpicking some rules and generally regarded as the most generous loyalty program so if you believe the opposite I am all ears.

Hilton: credit card shortcuts yes, and diluted benefits as a result. I see IHG overtaking Hilton for me in 2023. No disagreement here.

Accor: similar to Marriott, there is no credit card shortcut to Diamond status and it is also a pure spend status. Nonetheless with breakfast only 2/7 days at Accor I can also see IHG overtaking Accor for me in 2023 as well, like Hilton. For suite upgrades there will probably be some pockets where Accor remains preferrable to IHG but for the value of the program as a whole it will not be hard to convince me that IHG Diamond (+RA?) will be better than Accor Diamond.
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Old Jun 18, 22, 10:51 am
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Originally Posted by Unterwegs View Post
I lost track of the whole RA requalification.
Is there any information which brands count for RA?
Can we assume that 10k spending iatthese brands the limit? Or is it still the old 75 nights?
Or is it completely up in the air?
it's spend, not nights.

see previous post.
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Old Jun 18, 22, 11:48 am
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See that last part is what has been turning me off to RA lately, this cheesy stinginess. Ive never had any kids denied at Hyatt - and even though they sometimes wag their finger and say they might charge me, they never do, and they always give extra beds, suites, the works. I truly feel like an elite with Hyatt. IC hmm.
In fairness, they left the door open many times for us and for evening binges on occasions. We did not stretch that too far but over 10 + years (probably more than that) they did the honorable things many times.

I think more than the loyalty program itself, it's more to do with loosing 90+ staff over the pandemic/brexit time and those replacing have not found their feet and/or role flexibility yet. Fortunately there are still some old hands in place. I think the 'by the book' fall back is more to do with the staff churn. And in the main post pandemic, I've found most locations to be still operating in the same M.O. It does appear mainly were 'familiar faces' have moved on, that 'off the book' concessions have thinned some
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