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hjz77 Sep 3, 2025 5:25 am

Same destination but totally different travel time
 
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JPG3392 Sep 3, 2025 6:50 am

This difference may relate to one airline flying over Russian airspace while the other carrier does not do so.

hjz77 Sep 3, 2025 6:59 am


Originally Posted by JPG3392 (Post 37299441)
This difference may relate to one airline flying over Russian airspace while the other carrier does not do so.

interesting, good to know

moondog Sep 3, 2025 9:54 am


Originally Posted by hjz77 (Post 37299338)

Did you look at their respective flight paths? When one is 30% longer than the other, it's pretty obvious why the duration is also longer.

chgoeditor Sep 3, 2025 1:16 pm

While it probably isn't a factor in this instance, I also notice that in the United States, afternoon/evening flights on the same airline and same route are often >10% longer than morning flights. Airlines get graded for their on-time performance, and if they know afternoon flights are regularly delayed, they lengthen the scheduled flight time, increasing the odds the flight arrives on time.

Mwenenzi Sep 3, 2025 3:08 pm

offish topic

Originally Posted by chgoeditor (Post 37300184)
While it probably isn't a factor in this instance, I also notice that in the United States, afternoon/evening flights on the same airline and same route are often >10% longer than morning flights. Airlines get graded for their on-time performance, and if they know afternoon flights are regularly delayed, they lengthen the scheduled flight time, increasing the odds the flight arrives on time.

Often the extra time is on the ground. Later in the day can be more on ground congestion. In the last 20-30-40 years aircraft speed has not changed significantly, but gate to gate is longer time. All due to on ground congestion.

moondog Sep 3, 2025 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 37300399)
offish topic

Often the extra time is on the ground. Later in the day can be more on ground congestion. In the last 20-30-40 years aircraft speed has not changed significantly, but gate to gate is longer time. All due to on ground congestion.

I'm pretty sure you guys are saying the same thing.

sdsearch Sep 3, 2025 4:00 pm


Originally Posted by chgoeditor (Post 37300184)
While it probably isn't a factor in this instance, I also notice that in the United States, afternoon/evening flights on the same airline and same route are often >10% longer than morning flights. Airlines get graded for their on-time performance, and if they know afternoon flights are regularly delayed, they lengthen the scheduled flight time, increasing the odds the flight arrives on time.

Keep in mind that the shorter the flight, the more any difference in gate-to-takeoff and landing-to-gate are factored in. Since many flights in the United States are no more than a few hours, and those on-airport delays before takeoff or after landing can be as much as a half hour or so in each case, that's why you can have such variations on shorter flights.

But airport delays on a 9:30 or 14:05 flight aren't going be anywhere near significant enough to cause the 4:35 difference in timing of these flights.

So in this case, yes, it's very likely a flight path difference.

moondog Sep 3, 2025 5:15 pm


Originally Posted by sdsearch (Post 37300486)
Keep in mind that the shorter the flight, the more any difference in gate-to-takeoff and landing-to-gate are factored in. Since many flights in the United States are no more than a few hours, and those on-airport delays before takeoff or after landing can be as much as a half hour or so in each case, that's why you can have such variations on shorter flights.

But airport delays on a 9:30 or 14:05 flight aren't going be anywhere near significant enough to cause the 4:35 difference in timing of these flights.

So in this case, yes, it's very likely a flight path difference.

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