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Blueskyheaven Jul 10, 19 3:06 pm

What award flight to use for India & Dubai?
 
Planning a trip from North America to Mumbai for few days and then to Dubai or Dubai and then to mumbai , staying few days at each places and then return to ORD. We are three people.

I know 3 J seats is very tough and planned travel date is from 3rd week of Dec.

I have UA and AA miles. Both don't permit free stop awards right? Pls advice which FF program is better?

Mwenenzi Jul 10, 19 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven (Post 31290358)
Planning a trip from North America to Mumbai for few days and then to Dubai or Dubai and then to mumbai , staying few days at each places and then return to ORD. We are three people.

I know 3 J seats is very tough and planned travel date is from 3rd week of Dec.

I have UA and AA miles. Both don't permit free stop awards right? Pls advice which FF program is better?

What have you found when looking?
Finding 3 long haul business class award seats at a very busy time to a popular destination will be very hard (impossible?)

Great Circle Mapper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chhatr...tional_Airport

https://www.awardhacker.com/#f=ORD&t...=0&c=j&s=2&p=1

Consider these Award booking services - a list and some reviews

Blueskyheaven Jul 10, 19 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 31290400)
What have you found when looking?
Finding 3 long haul business class award seats at a very busy time to a popular destination will be very hard (impossible?)

Great Circle Mapper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chhatr...tional_Airport

https://www.awardhacker.com/#f=ORD&t...=0&c=j&s=2&p=1

Consider these Award booking services - a list and some reviews

I checked on UA, ORD, JFK, EWR YYZ to mumbai or DXB. Plenty of coach with 1 stop or non stop and couple of J seats but they were the standard award. I checked on AA.com, I checked ORD- AUH, i find coach only on Etihad. I find many with stops ORD-MUMBAI on coach and some J seats but they all include BA which means rip off fees. Looks like it is impossible. Any other sites to check?

guv1976 Jul 10, 19 4:44 pm


Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven (Post 31290462)
I checked on UA, ORD, JFK, EWR YYZ to mumbai or DXB. Plenty of coach with 1 stop or non stop and couple of J seats but they were the standard award. I checked on AA.com, I checked ORD- AUH, i find coach only on Etihad. I find many with stops ORD-MUMBAI on coach and some J seats but they all include BA which means rip off fees. Looks like it is impossible. Any other sites to check?

AAdvantage awards from North America to India now let you route via the Pacific on CX. But aa.com cannot display CX award availability, so try calling AA.

Mwenenzi Jul 10, 19 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven (Post 31290462)
I checked on UA, ORD, JFK, EWR YYZ to mumbai or DXB. Plenty of coach with 1 stop or non stop and couple of J seats but they were the standard award. I checked on AA.com, I checked ORD- AUH, i find coach only on Etihad. I find many with stops ORD-MUMBAI on coach and some J seats but they all include BA which means rip off fees. Looks like it is impossible. Any other sites to check?

With AA & UA ff miles all you can do is keep checking.
Some other people would have started looking/booking from 330 days out
AUH is a good alternative to DXB as it close by road.
As above, not all AA award partners show on line.

Good luck. For 3 x J awards close to Christmas/New Year holiday time I would nor be hopeful.
Maybe time to start looking at cash fares. The price may start to climb as time goes on

Blueskyheaven Jul 10, 19 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 31290658)
AAdvantage awards from North America to India now let you route via the Pacific on CX. But aa.com cannot display CX award availability, so try calling AA.

You mean North America to HKG & then HKG to Mumbai, both on CX flight with AA miles? It has to be one itinerary because no stop over allowed in HKG right? Book separate flight between Mumbai and DXB?

guv1976 Jul 10, 19 6:13 pm


Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven (Post 31290825)
You mean North America to HKG & then HKG to Mumbai, both on CX flight with AA miles? It has to be one itinerary because no stop over allowed in HKG right? Book separate flight between Mumbai and DXB?

Yes, you would connect -- not stop over -- in HKG, and it would price as a single award. You would have to get a separate award -- or cash ticket -- between BOM and DXB.

Blueskyheaven Jul 10, 19 6:34 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 31290840)
Yes, you would connect -- not stop over -- in HKG, and it would price as a single award. You would have to get a separate award -- or cash ticket -- between BOM and DXB.

BA website should display CX award if there is availability right? I just checked BA.com for avios award and not only I find any of the flight and any seats, I was looking for, I find no domestic award on any month in December. It is just empty for whole month of DEC not even coach between chicago and new york. lol.


I once booked 3 J seats for 3 of us in 2016, ORD-HKGon CX. I then booked KTM- ORD, on qatar airways J seats. brand new plane. No more anything on BA.com

guv1976 Jul 10, 19 7:10 pm


Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven (Post 31290883)
BA website should display CX award if there is availability right? I just checked BA.com for avios award and not only I find any of the flight and any seats, I was looking for, I find no domestic award on any month in December. It is just empty for whole month of DEC not even coach between chicago and new york. lol.

Might be a glitch on ba.com. The aa.com website is showing MileSAAver availability for three in both Coach and First Class for ORD-NYC on various dates in December.

Blueskyheaven Jul 12, 19 10:12 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 31290840)
Yes, you would connect -- not stop over -- in HKG, and it would price as a single award. You would have to get a separate award -- or cash ticket -- between BOM and DXB.

But Gary from the "viewfromthewings" says this when he discuss AA miles on Etihad flight. His post about this is here https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea...s-for-up-to-9/.

"Using American miles you can connect onward to India, the Maldives, or elsewhere in the “Middle East and Indian Subcontinent” for no additional points".

Pls explain what this is, I can stop over in India ? US to DXB, free stop over in India or US to India and free stop over in AUH?

Mwenenzi Jul 13, 19 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven (Post 31298450)
Pls explain what this is, I can stop over in India ? US to DXB, free stop over in India or US to India and free stop over in AUH?

AA awards do not allow stop overs: only transits up to 23:59hr
Stop overs on AA awards was eliminated years ago

Blueskyheaven Jul 13, 19 11:47 pm


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 31300247)
AA awards do not allow stop overs: only transits up to 23:59hr
Stop overs on AA awards was eliminated years ago

Wonder who Gary said and posted what he said and posted 2 days ago.

guv1976 Jul 14, 19 9:09 am


Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven (Post 31301207)
Wonder who Gary said and posted what he said and posted 2 days ago.

Because what Gary said was correct: you can connect on a single AAdvantage award. A connection is not a stopover.

Blueskyheaven Jul 14, 19 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 31302171)
Because what Gary said was correct: you can connect on a single AAdvantage award. A connection is not a stopover.

What's the big deal , advantage of " connecting" if it doesn't mean free stop over? Why would you connect? If I am in US want to go to mumbai, dubai for few days each and come back, how will this " connecting without additional miles" help me? Not trying to be rude, I am just confused cos Gary made it seem like a big deal or something to take advantage of.
Thanks

guv1976 Jul 14, 19 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by Blueskyheaven (Post 31302751)
What's the big deal , advantage of " connecting" if it doesn't mean free stop over? Why would you connect? If I am in US want to go to mumbai, dubai for few days each and come back, how will this " connecting without additional miles" help me? Not trying to be rude, I am just confused cos Gary made it seem like a big deal or something to take advantage of.
Thanks

Because some FFPs -- like BA's -- charge for each flight flown; connections are not free in such programs.

AA awards are zone-based, so connections are free, as long as you fly an approved routing.

The other significant point Gary was making is that AAdvantage permits a third-zone transit when flying EY from North America to India. AA split the Middle East and the Indian Subcontinent into two different zones a while back, and the general rule on AA awards is no third-zone transit on an award. But AA has carved out certain exceptions to this rule, and Gary was pointing one of them out.

AA also generally does not permit routing via the Pacific on a North America to India award, but they've made an exception to that rule (and to the no-third-zone-transit rule) by permitting CX to be used for North America to India awards via HKG, as I pointed out in one of my earlier posts.

If you are uncertain of the meaning of terms of art like "connection" or "stop over" you encounter here on FT, I encourage you to consult the FT Glossary, which you can access by clicking on "Help."


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