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Mwenenzi Jun 27, 2016 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by j-rad (Post 26839011)
OK, I can see the AY flight on the 19th/20th you found - that's a good option and has a return on the 27th. I also called AA and they show no Iberia space.

Any experience with AY J on A330? Looks like a decent business class from pictures, nothing over the top. Could also try to split it up and do this one way with UA 777 the other way if that product is exceptionally better, but maybe a good idea to keep some UA miles handy.

You have been given some good help.
Looking and booking as one ways will be better.
Do not only look for Paris. Try other Eu cities. Trains between Eu cities are easy & frequent.
If there is availability just take it now. Others will also be looking for USA Eu awards. And AAdvantage flyers will be wanting to avoid BA.

You cannot be too fussy with the hard-soft product. Flying business class is better than coach. The scheduled departure, layover time & arrival times can be a consideration if you have options.
Do not wait to make a decision: just do it. (Awards can be cancelled)

dukerau Jun 27, 2016 4:52 pm


Originally Posted by j-rad (Post 26839011)
OK, I can see the AY flight on the 19th/20th you found - that's a good option anyd has a return on the 27th. I also called AA and they show no Iberia space.

Any experience with AY J on A330? Looks like a decent business class from pictures, nothing over the top. Could also try to split it up and do this one way with UA 777 the other way if that product is exceptionally better, but maybe a good idea to keep some UA miles handy.

I've never flown AY but my impression from reviews and reports is that no Oneworld option to Europe has an outstanding business class (I've only flown AA A330). Iberia's hard product may be the best while its soft product may be the worst. Yet I wouldn't pay the modest fuel surcharges to fly IB if there's a no fuel surcharge option. My impression is that AA lie flat > AY/AB > AA angle flat, and United similar to AA. In the end, if I were in your shoes I'd use some of that massive pile of AA miles on AY instead of burning UA miles on United metal. UA metal is nothing exceptional and UA miles can be used for much better.

Non-NonRev Jun 27, 2016 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by dukerau (Post 26839361)
I've never flown AY but my impression from reviews and reports is that no Oneworld option to Europe has an outstanding business class (I've only flown AA A330). Iberia's hard product may be the best while its soft product may be the worst. Yet I wouldn't pay the modest fuel surcharges to fly IB if there's a no fuel surcharge option. My impression is that AA lie flat > AY/AB > AA angle flat, and United similar to AA. In the end, if I were in your shoes I'd use some of that massive pile of AA miles on AY instead of burning UA miles on United metal. UA metal is nothing exceptional and UA miles can be used for much better.

The IB A340s have fully lie-flat seats. The profit surcharge (nothing to do with fuel) is less onerous than on BA. Must call in, cannot see online on aa.com

JDiver Jun 27, 2016 8:09 pm


Originally Posted by j-rad (Post 26837905)
Nowhere in my post did I ask anyone to do all the leg work for me for free. I'm asking for ideas on routes I can search based on people more knowledgeable than I am...not sure what the problem with that is.

I stated that I searched AA saver awards and wasn't able to find anything in business class, so I'm simply looking for some guidance on other options I might have given my balances.

For instance, the suggestion to break up the trip by topping off my UA miles with Chase and only paying $300 in fees for a one-way on BA is a helpful idea.

You haven't bothered to tell us your origin. "US" is pretty large and difficult to deal with. But "LAX" or "Los Angeles area" could include using Air Tahiti Nui nonstop LAX-CDG using AAdvantage miles.

EWR or JFK could include BA subsidiary OpenSkies.

Neither, afaik, will show on aa.com searching for awards. See http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...ssistance.html, and read the Wikipost at the top of the page for AAdvantage MileSAAver award information.

pogonation Jun 28, 2016 3:28 am


Originally Posted by j-rad (Post 26836776)
Closest airports for me would be BDL, NYC, BOS, EWR, but could fly into PHL, CLT, etc. if needed. Direct would be nice but not necessary.

Made it pretty clear in his first post.

84fiero Jun 28, 2016 6:09 am


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 26840022)
You haven't bothered to tell us your origin. "US" is pretty large and difficult to deal with. But "LAX" or "Los Angeles area" could include using Air Tahiti Nui nonstop LAX-CDG using AAdvantage miles.

EWR or JFK could include BA subsidiary OpenSkies.

Neither, afaik, will show on aa.com searching for awards. See http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...ssistance.html, and read the Wikipost at the top of the page for AAdvantage MileSAAver award information.

The OP lists the poster's potential US origination airports.

OpenSkies flights definitely show up on aa.com award searches.

erik123 Jun 30, 2016 12:31 pm

I'd take Open Skies even with the BA award charges. You could fly Bizbed on the overnight and premium economy to reduce the charges somewhat. If for 5-6 days I'd avoid a connection. The fuel charges may well be worth compared to the cost of the trip in any case.

MSPeconomist Jul 2, 2016 12:34 am

You can easily take the train to Paris from BRU or AMS, in addition to FRA (and other airports in Germany such as CGN) and London.

s0ssos Jul 2, 2016 2:31 am

So, if you are trying to get an award ticket to Europe, these are the steps:
1)find transpacific segment. As noted, BA has great availability, just high surcharges. If you are trying to find availability on other carriers try using their bases (for Air Berlin, Dusseldorf, Berlin) and typing in the exact flight route (JFK to DUS for example). Also remember the old US Air flights and type those in (PHL to lots of Europe) as they seem to have better availability than AA flights
2)once you get across the Pond you can basically find your way anywhere. In Europe there are plenty of ways to get places, including BA, AY, AB. AA has very flexible routing rules. In the US I could even find my way across the US from East to West coast. If you type in a search on AA's website (or BA) it won't show you, because it has too many connections, but I found JFK to LAX when there is no availability by using 3 stops. You get 24 hours to connect so have plenty of ways. This is where it takes a lot of legwork, as you have to just keep trying combinations.
3)FYI BA surcharges aren't as high as they once were. There are pretty high surcharges even for flying non-BA, and intra Europe sometimes AA charges $60 or so just for flying Finnair. So actually price it through on AA.com to see what the difference is (and how much extra work you are willing to put in to avoid $100)


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