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kthpence Jun 19, 2016 4:04 am

Fully Refundable Ticket?
 
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SK AAR Jun 19, 2016 4:33 am

Are you serious?

Why would you pay and risk thousands of USD on fully flexible ticket to get lounge access?

I guess it could be done but you would have to read the fine prints about cancellation/refund and risk that the airline refuses to refund when you have checked in and used airport facilities.

Find a nice café, sit/relax and wait for your friend.

kthpence Jun 19, 2016 5:37 am


Originally Posted by SK AAR (Post 26799200)
Are you serious?

Why would you pay and risk thousands of USD on fully flexible ticket to get lounge access?

I guess it could be done but you would have to read the fine prints about cancellation/refund and risk that the airline refuses to refund when you have checked in and used airport facilities.

Find a nice café, sit/relax and wait for your friend.

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JDiver Jun 19, 2016 6:08 am


Originally Posted by kthpence (Post 26799323)
I love when people act shocked about things like this in FT. There's no way in hell I'm going to wait at a cafe at CDG in this current climate. If you're familiar with CDG, everything is before security, and I really don't feel safe spending my afternoon in an un-secure area.

I bought an LH ticket, went to the lounge and called to get it refunded. I encountered no problems...

I love it when people who do this are shocked when an airline rep states there's no refund due because purchasing a ticket to access airport facilities with no intention of flying violates the conditions of carriage. Yes, it can happen, so I'd not recommend doing this regularly and being sure to choose the airline wisely.

As to safety and security, I think my friendly advice is "it would be wise to get a grip and calm down". A taxi to the airport is likely riskier.

Adam1222 Jun 19, 2016 6:17 am

If you find the risks of a cafe at CDG unacceptably high, I don't think Flyertalk is the place for you.

Often1 Jun 19, 2016 6:27 am

Putting aside the paranoia as justifying fraud.

Of course OP can get away with the ticket fraud once, but LH is especially vigilant. Try it again and the result may well be a polite, "we've determined that you had no intent to fly the ticket at the time of purchase, so we'll see about a refund after our investigation."

There is a thread about a UA GS who had his GS status revoked for doing this repeatedly, although it wasn't to gain lounge access.

Adam1222 Jun 19, 2016 8:16 am


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 26799414)
Putting aside the paranoia as justifying fraud.

Of course OP can get away with the ticket fraud once, but LH is especially vigilant. Try it again and the result may well be a polite, "we've determined that you had no intent to fly the ticket at the time of purchase, so we'll see about a refund after our investigation."

There is a thread about a UA GS who had his GS status revoked for doing this repeatedly, although it wasn't to gain lounge access.


There are several stories of folks being charged for the cost of lounge access or otherwise penalized for this scheme, which is of course what it is- if not theft. You used services (and consumed goods) without paying for them, and without any intent to pay for them.

I really have no idea why you even posted this here as it is clear you don't care what others think.

Non-NonRev Jun 19, 2016 1:36 pm

For future readers of this thread:

Risk-aversion is not a bad thing, but how we respond needs to be tempered with common sense and rational thought.

The OP chose an extreme option to assuage her fears. Fine. Other people might have been more practical, in this case by going to the Sheraton CDG and waiting out the delay there. Inside the terminal but well-secured and well-away from the operational areas of the airport, the Sheraton would have provided a chance for tea service or even a meal in a safe, convivial atmosphere (note that this Sheraton is an international-level Sheraton, far above what you might find at a domestic US airport).

WorldLux Jun 19, 2016 2:42 pm

:rolleyes:

What is wrong against buying books, newspapers and/or magazines and reading them in a pre-security café at CDG?

We are talking about Paris, not Syria or Irak ...

LondonElite Jun 19, 2016 3:22 pm

In addition to what other people have told you, understand that the refund could take up to two months..,.is it worth it to you to carry that balance? Plus it's an extremely lame thing to do, as I imagine you know.

JerryFF Jun 19, 2016 7:26 pm


Originally Posted by kthpence (Post 26799323)
I love when people act shocked about things like this in FT. There's no way in hell I'm going to wait at a cafe at CDG in this current climate. If you're familiar with CDG, everything is before security, and I really don't feel safe spending my afternoon in an un-secure area.

I bought an LH ticket, went to the lounge and called to get it refunded. I encountered no problems...

Thanks for answering your own question. Just curious - if you knew the answer, why did you bother to ask?

Kagehitokiri Jun 20, 2016 5:43 pm

there are paid lounges (per visit) and paid VIP services (CDG has paid VIP)


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