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dantorsiello Feb 5, 2014 4:40 pm

Legacy Airlines
 
In my never-ending quest to know more about airlines and their history, there is one question Wikipedia couldn't answer. It says there are 4 US-based legacy airlines but list five: United, Delta, American, Hawaiian, and Alaskan. Should it read five legacies or am I missing something?

Adam1222 Feb 5, 2014 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by dantorsiello (Post 22294219)
In my never-ending quest to know more about airlines and their history, there is one question Wikipedia couldn't answer. It says there are 4 US-based legacy airlines but list five: United, Delta, American, Hawaiian, and Alaskan. Should it read five legacies or am I missing something?

Usually, when referring to 4 legacy carriers, the reference is to US Airways, American, Delta, and United. (Some people don't consider Hawaiian and Alaskan legacy carriers due to their regional nature.) The wikipedia makes clear that 4 is referring to US Airways: "There are currently four US-based legacy airlines left that operate transcontinental and overseas route networks. That number will shrink to three once American Airlines and US Airways complete their merger, most likely in 2015."
US Airways and American are one company now, but have separate operating certificates.

dantorsiello Feb 5, 2014 7:29 pm


Originally Posted by Adam1222 (Post 22294899)
Usually, when referring to 4 legacy carriers, the reference is to US Airways, American, Delta, and United. (Some people don't consider Hawaiian and Alaskan legacy carriers due to their regional nature.) The wikipedia makes clear that 4 is referring to US Airways: "There are currently four US-based legacy airlines left that operate transcontinental and overseas route networks. That number will shrink to three once American Airlines and US Airways complete their merger, most likely in 2015."
US Airways and American are one company now, but have separate operating certificates.

Thanks. I read that, just didn't put two an two together.

beckoa Feb 6, 2014 2:24 am

Seeing how all the carriers are regional for starts, I'd count AS as legacy. And AS is one carrier that has *avoided* bankruptcy as well... but I digress ;)

swag Feb 6, 2014 9:41 am

It's Wikipedia. If you don't like what it says, change it.

sdsearch Feb 6, 2014 1:17 pm


Originally Posted by dantorsiello (Post 22294219)
In my never-ending quest to know more about airlines and their history, there is one question Wikipedia couldn't answer. It says there are 4 US-based legacy airlines but list five: United, Delta, American, Hawaiian, and Alaskan. Should it read five legacies or am I missing something?

There is no universal agreement on how to exactly define what airline and isn't a "legacy" airline.

To some people, it's any airline that follows a traditional business model. In other words, it's any airline that isn't classified as an LCC (Low Cost Carrier, where Cost refers to operating costs, not customer fares). Southwest plus all US-based stand-alone airlines that were created in the last decade or so (Jet Blue, Virgin America, Spirit, Sun Country, etc) are classified as LLCs, and Frontier seems to morphing into an LLC (though they seemed to be a smaller legacy carrier as of a few years ago).

The term "legacy" refers to age (either of the airline or simply of the business model of the airline; ie, the LCC business model didn't exist many decades ago, so any airline that was formed many decades ago and has stayed in the same business model could therefore be considered a "legacy").

It gets confusing, though, if a new stand-alone carrier adopts a legacy business model despite being a new carrier.

IMHO, the people who think Alaska and Hawaiian shouldn't be considered legacy seem to be confusing the term "legacy carrier" with "networked" carrier.

The term "networked" carrier typically refers to a carrier that flies signficantly overseas as well as domestically, interlines baggage, etc, and indeed only AA/US, DL, and UA are left as US-based networked carriers.


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