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Getting to India Breaking The Trip At SIN or KUL on 2 separate tickets

Old Jun 2, 17, 5:42 pm
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Getting to India Breaking The Trip At SIN or KUL on 2 separate tickets

Posting for a friend.

This person is an Indian citizen+LPR of US, and needs to get to TRZ later this year from NYC or YYZ.

Direct ticketing costs from $1075 and upwards, which usually involves a layover of several hours in CMB.

But a separate ticket to Singapore from US, is about US$666, and a different ticket to their destination from Singapore is about US$222 (checked in Google Flights).

Buying two separate tickets saves them a significant amount of money, and I suppose it might save them a lot of time as well. It also saves the hassle of their family having to drive (10 hours up and down) to MAA to pick them up. This is the main objective. Their father passed away last year, and they don't want to trouble their mother for pickup and drop-off as in the past.

It is almost the same with KUL.

Here are the questions:

1) What are the Singapore/Malaysia visa requirements for an Indian passport holder when they want to buy a separate ticket to Singapore or Malaysia with the intention of getting another flight on another ticket? i.e No requirement for sight-seeing etc.

2) I see TRZ has three daily flights to/from Singapore (1X Air India Express and 2X Tiger Air) whose parent companies are Star Alliance partners. If they book a ticket to Singapore on a Star Alliance ticket, can their luggage be through-checked to TRZ?

3) Is this too much overkill, should they simply book it to MAA instead, book a hotel, stay overnight and get the next flight to TRZ? If the connection is swift at MAA, this wouldn't be much of a concern. But usually it involves a longer wait and of course the additional cost as well.

Thanks for any advice you all can offer.

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Old Jun 4, 17, 7:48 am
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1) What are the Singapore/Malaysia visa requirements for an Indian passport holder when they want to buy a separate ticket to Singapore or Malaysia with the intention of getting another flight on another ticket? i.e No requirement for sight-seeing etc.
they will have to get a visa in advance for both places....

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2) I see TRZ has three daily flights to/from Singapore (1X Air India Express and 2X Tiger Air) whose parent companies are Star Alliance partners. If they book a ticket to Singapore on a Star Alliance ticket, can their luggage be through-checked to TRZ?
air india express in not considered a part of star alliance so your friend will not receive any benefits & luggage will not be checked through....

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3) Is this too much overkill, should they simply book it to MAA instead, book a hotel, stay overnight and get the next flight to TRZ? If the connection is swift at MAA, this wouldn't be much of a concern. But usually it involves a longer wait and of course the additional cost as well.
you friend will save under $200....i wouldn't call that a significant saving....definitely not significant enough to overcome the effort of connecting on 2 separate tickets & having to get a visa for either singapore or malaysia....
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Old Jun 5, 17, 11:04 am
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Thank you for the suggestions Keyser, I will convey this to them.They have 2 kids with US passports, so it may be worth it for them when all 3 of them travel. I will let them decide.

If the same will have to be done by a US citizen (myself), what is the procedure at SIN or KUL for baggage + security when I don't want to get out of the airport?

Also, is the case with Tiger Air same as Air India Express - ie, no through check-in for luggage and no miles credit ?

Between Tiger Air and Air India Express, which is more favored here cost, reliability, service etc?

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Old Jun 5, 17, 1:54 pm
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Thank you for the suggestions Keyser, I will convey this to them.They have 2 kids with US passports, so it may be worth it for them when all 3 of them travel. I will let them decide.

If the same will have to be done by a US citizen (myself), what is the procedure at SIN or KUL for baggage + security when I don't want to get out of the airport?

Also, is the case with Tiger Air same as Air India Express - ie, no through check-in for luggage and no miles credit ?

Between Tiger Air and Air India Express, which is more favored here cost, reliability, service etc?
i don't believe a us citizen needs a visa for either singapore or malaysia....

both tiget air & air india express are low cost carriers....with air india express you won't get miles towards any star alliance carrier except for air india....there is nothing really to pick between the two....i would just go with whichever one is cheaper....
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Old Jun 13, 17, 12:51 am
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Why on earth do you want to fly to SIN/KUL to get from YYZ/NYC to TRZ?? Just take the direct NYC or YYZ flight to India and then conect via MAA to TRZ. AI will sell you that ticket for 1100$ JFK-(DEL or BOM)-MAA-TRZ with the last leg on a 9W ATR.
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Old Jun 13, 17, 2:11 pm
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oliver2002: Thank you. It is just that MAA is about 4-5 hours by road from the final destination, whereas TRZ is about 2 hours or less. They have relatives in TRZ where they can just drop their luggage and even take a local bus or train to their final destination. This will avoid a 9 hour round trip to MAA for picking them up.

Almost all non-gulf flights arrive in the middle of the night, and the first flight to TRZ is not until 10:00am. There's not enough time for a hotel stay. If they have a direct flight from DEL or BOM to TRZ, it would be ideal. But sadly TRZ has more flights to KUL and SIN than to MAA and no flights to any other destination in India.

Also in consideration is flying out of YVR, where round trip to SIN go for less than $500 at times, and the overall cost is cheaper all the way to TRZ even with a one-way rental car from SEA (where I live) to YVR. There's not much of a time penalty for this either compared to a stop in DEL/BOM/MAA.

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Old Jun 13, 17, 2:24 pm
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So where exactly do they live? NYC or YYC? So to save money they would fly to SEA, drive to YVR, fly to SIN/KUL, change to a LoCo, all to save some 200$/person
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Old Jun 13, 17, 2:49 pm
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oliver2002: They live in ROC.

YVR question is mostly for my trip to India.

But they might visit me sometime in future and I was going to suggest them to combine that trip along with their India trip, if I have a positive experience with YVR-SIN/KUL-TRZ

Nothing is decided yet, as you can tell, we are still evaluating the options.
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Old Jun 14, 17, 12:56 am
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A plain query sends on SQ you via jfk to SIN, with a two hour connection to TR (Tiger Air) to TRZ. Still think the route via Europe is better, you get to decompress in MAA for 8 hours (maybe an airport hotel) then the ATR flight to TRZ in the morning.

Code:
TNROCTRZ/A*A,9W
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** TRZ TIRUCHCHIRAPPAL.IN            14JUN17 21JUN17
 1  *UA4154  5    ROC   EWR A  1541    1700   0 CONNECT EWR     ERJ 
     UA 960  5    EWR C FRA 1  1935    0920+1 0 CONNECT FRA     777 
     LH 758  5    FRA 1 MAA 3  1050+1  2350+1 0 CONNECT MAA     343 
     9W2748  5    MAA 1 TRZ    1000+2  1105+2 0 16JUN17 16JUN17 AT7 33:54
 2  :LH7672  5    ROC   EWR A  1541    1700   0 CONNECT EWR     ERJ 
  UA:LH7602  5    EWR C FRA 1  1935    0920+1 0 CONNECT FRA     777 
     LH 758  5    FRA 1 MAA 3  1050+1  2350+1 0 CONNECT MAA     343 
     9W2748  5    MAA 1 TRZ    1000+2  1105+2 0 16JUN17 16JUN17 AT7 33:54
 3  :LH7672  1347 ROC   EWR A  1540    1659   0 CONNECT EWR     ERJ 
  UA:LH7602  1347 EWR C FRA 1  1935    0920+1 0 CONNECT FRA     777 
     LH 758  1347 FRA 1 MAA 3  1050+1  2350+1 0 CONNECT MAA     343 
     9W2748  1347 MAA 1 TRZ    1000+2  1105+2 0 14JUN17 21JUN17 AT7 33:55

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TN14JUNROCTRZ/A*A,9W -MD-
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** TRZ TIRUCHCHIRAPPAL.IN            14JUN17 21JUN17
 1  *UA4154  X56  ROC   EWR A  1540    1659   0 CONNECT EWR     ERJ 
     UA 960  X56  EWR C FRA 1  1935    0920+1 0 CONNECT FRA     777 
     LH 758  X56  FRA 1 MAA 3  1050+1  2350+1 0 CONNECT MAA     343 
     9W2748  X56  MAA 1 TRZ    1000+2  1105+2 0 14JUN17 21JUN17 AT7 33:55
 2  *AC7291  D    ROC   YYZ 1  1540    1637   0 CONNECT YYZ     BEH 
    :AC9104  D    YYZ 1 FRA 1  1825    0800+1 0 CONNECT FRA     744 
  LH:AI8758  D    FRA 1 MAA 3  1050+1  2350+1 0 CONNECT MAA     343 
     9W2748  D    MAA 1 TRZ    1000+2  1105+2 0 29MAY17 05SEP17 AT7 33:55
 3  :LH7847  2    ROC   EWR A  1540    1659   0 CONNECT EWR     ERJ 
  UA:LH7602  2    EWR C FRA 1  1935    0920+1 0 CONNECT FRA     777 
     LH 758  2    FRA 1 MAA 3  1050+1  2350+1 0 CONNECT MAA     343 
     9W2748  2    MAA 1 TRZ    1000+2  1105+2 0 20JUN17 20JUN17 AT7 33:55

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TNROCTRZ

TNROCTRZ
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** TRZ TIRUCHCHIRAPPAL.IN            14JUN17 21JUN17
 1B6:SQ1467  145  ROC   JFK 5  1600    1721   0 CONNECT JFK     E90 
     SQ 025  145  JFK 4 SIN 0  2055    0650+2 1 CONNECT SIN     388 
     TR2662  145  SIN 2 TRZ    0835+2  1010+2 0 15JUN17 04SEP17 320 32:40
 2   B6 585  145  ROC   JFK 5  1600    1721   0 CONNECT JFK     E90 
  SQ:B65307  145  JFK 4 SIN 0  2055    0650+2 1 CONNECT SIN     388 
     TR2662  145  SIN 2 TRZ    0835+2  1010+2 0 15JUN17 23JUN17 320 32:40
 3  *UA4154  5    ROC   EWR A  1541    1700   0 CONNECT EWR     ERJ 
     SQ 025  5    JFK 4 SIN 0  2055    0650+2 1 CONNECT SIN     388 
     TR2662  5    SIN 2 TRZ    0835+2  1010+2 0 16JUN17 14JUL17 320 32:59
 4  *UA4154  14   ROC   EWR A  1540    1659   0 CONNECT EWR     ERJ 
     SQ 025  14   JFK 4 SIN 0  2055    0650+2 1 CONNECT SIN     388 
     TR2662  14   SIN 2 TRZ    0835+2  1010+2 0 15JUN17 22JUN17 320 33:00

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TN14JUNROCTRZ -MD-                                                              
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** TRZ TIRUCHCHIRAPPAL.IN            14JUN17 21JUN17  
 1  *DL3818  145  ROC   LGA D  1430    1556   0 CONNECT LGA     CRJ             
     SQ 025  145  JFK 4 SIN 0  2055    0650+2 1 CONNECT SIN     388             
     TR2662  145  SIN 2 TRZ    0835+2  1010+2 0 15JUN17 30JUN17 320 34:10       
 2  *UA3611  145  ROC   EWR C  1420    1542   0 CONNECT EWR     E70             
     SQ 025  145  JFK 4 SIN 0  2055    0650+2 1 CONNECT SIN     388             
     TR2662  145  SIN 2 TRZ    0835+2  1010+2 0 15JUN17 30JUN17 320 34:20       
 3  *DL3880  145  ROC   JFK 4  1135    1257   0 CONNECT JFK     CRJ             
     SQ 025  145  JFK 4 SIN 0  2055    0650+2 1 CONNECT SIN     388             
     TR2662  145  SIN 2 TRZ    0835+2  1010+2 0 15JUN17 30JUN17 320 37:05       
 4  *UA4888  145  ROC   EWR C  1055    1229   0 CONNECT EWR     DH2             
     SQ 025  145  JFK 4 SIN 0  2055    0650+2 1 CONNECT SIN     388             
     TR2662  145  SIN 2 TRZ    0835+2  1010+2 0 15JUN17 30JUN17 320 37:45       
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Thank you oliver2002. Your inputs were valuable.

After much discussion, they ended up booking an Jetblue+Emirates to MAA all in one ticket, all the way from ROC.
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Now, for my case (YVR/SEA to TRZ), what would you advise? ie SIN vs KUL or going to SIN and returning from KUL etc etc.

The cheapest RT fares I found for different routes with 1 stop only are below. I filtered out schedules that are over 27 hours:

United: YVR-SFO-SIN - $464
EVA: SEA-TPE-SIN - $830
EVA: SEA-TPE-KUL - $805
China Eastern: YVR-PVG-KUL - $660
China Airlines: YVR-TPE-KUL - $670

Obviously, I didn't factor the final leg to TRZ and my drive from SEA to YVR in the list above. Also note, I have Priority Pass access, so I don't mind *slightly* longer waits.

Given this, and based on your experience, what would you recommend for this trip to optimize on cost,time and hassle?

Also, I'm curious, how did you generate that table ?
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Thank you oliver2002. Your inputs were valuable.

After much discussion, they ended up booking an Jetblue+Emirates to MAA all in one ticket, all the way from ROC.
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Now, for my case (YVR/SEA to TRZ), what would you advise? ie SIN vs KUL or going to SIN and returning from KUL etc etc.

The cheapest RT fares I found for different routes with 1 stop only are below. I filtered out schedules that are over 27 hours:

United: YVR-SFO-SIN - $464
EVA: SEA-TPE-SIN - $830
EVA: SEA-TPE-KUL - $805
China Eastern: YVR-PVG-KUL - $660
China Airlines: YVR-TPE-KUL - $670

Obviously, I didn't factor the final leg to TRZ and my drive from SEA to YVR in the list above. Also note, I have Priority Pass access, so I don't mind *slightly* longer waits.

Given this, and based on your experience, what would you recommend for this trip to optimize on cost,time and hassle?

Also, I'm curious, how did you generate that table ?
What about SEA-DXB-MAA (Emirates) or
SEA/YVR/YYC-LHR-MAA (British Airways)?

MAA-TRZ - you can get a bus with a flat-bed or bus with regular seats or a train, etc. (or you can fly as well).

I believe Oliver has access to the GDS...which is how he generates those tables.
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Old Jun 15, 17, 2:59 am
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PVG transits are rather horrid and delay prone. I would do EVA/BR.
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Old Jul 11, 17, 6:51 pm
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Thanks ft4lyf.

My destination is TRZ, and I would prefer to avoid MAA as much as possible.

Given that TRZ has 6x daily flights from KUL and 3x daily from SIN and fares to SIN/KUL are very cheap from SEA/YVR, I thought using KUL/SIN as a transit would save time and money.
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Thanks ft4lyf.

My destination is TRZ, and I would prefer to avoid MAA as much as possible.

Given that TRZ has 6x daily flights from KUL and 3x daily from SIN and fares to SIN/KUL are very cheap from SEA/YVR, I thought using KUL/SIN as a transit would save time and money.
Yes, always a good idea to land at your destination on a long-haul international trip...rather than transit the country via another airport.

Sounds like KUL is going to be the winner with so many flights per day.
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Old Jul 13, 17, 1:23 am
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Friends, between KUL and SIN, which one would you recommend for transit that involves a re-checkin to India like discussed above?
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