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Seat configs and tail numbers for the new aircraft joining 2023 onwards -
B777-200LR (Ex-Delta) - VT-AEE/F/G/H/I
C28 W48 Y212 (Delta One Suite) - Seatmap
Routes - BOM-SFO, BLR-SFO, DEL-SFO (Might be swapped with AI 77L)
B777-300ER (Ex-Etihad) - VT-AEQ/R/M/N/O/P
F8 C40 Y280 - Seatmap
Routes - BOM-EWR, BOM-JFK, BOM-LHR, DEL-LHR
B777-300ER (Ex-Singapore Airlines) - VT-?
F4 C48 W28 Y184 - Seatmap
A350-900 - VT-JRA/B/E/F/H/I
C28 W24 Y264 (Aeroflot interiors with suites in Business) - Seatmap
B777-200LR (Ex-Delta) - VT-AEE/F/G/H/I
C28 W48 Y212 (Delta One Suite) - Seatmap
Routes - BOM-SFO, BLR-SFO, DEL-SFO (Might be swapped with AI 77L)
B777-300ER (Ex-Etihad) - VT-AEQ/R/M/N/O/P
F8 C40 Y280 - Seatmap
Routes - BOM-EWR, BOM-JFK, BOM-LHR, DEL-LHR
B777-300ER (Ex-Singapore Airlines) - VT-?
F4 C48 W28 Y184 - Seatmap
A350-900 - VT-JRA/B/E/F/H/I
C28 W24 Y264 (Aeroflot interiors with suites in Business) - Seatmap
AI B777 Fleet adjustments (Refurb B77W, Retire B77L, Lease B77E)
#31
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,631
So the longhaul leases are 777-200, there are five instead of six, and will start Dec-Mar rather than October (and maybe not even then).
Oh well, I was hoping for better luck on our holiday trip, guess we'll be on their decrepit existing aircraft.
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Oh well, I was hoping for better luck on our holiday trip, guess we'll be on their decrepit existing aircraft.
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Last edited by SeeBuyFly; Sep 12, 2022 at 10:31 am
#32
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,631
Quite a lot of expansion with five leased aircraft.
#33
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 118
If it's confirmed that the 777-200LR's are ex-Delta, these planes were being used by Delta on the JFK-BOM route (RIP). They were pretty recently refurbished pre-pandemic and have Delta One suites and the new Delta Premium Select premium economy product. IMO the hard product is a pretty big step up for Air India.
#34
Join Date: May 2004
Location: US
Programs: UA Lifetime Gold, IHG Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 973
I dont see the logic in adding BOM-SFO when they cannot even fly BOM-EWR daily, which is a long term profitable route. Also they need to add more flights on DEL-SFO and fly more than daily on BOM-EWR route, they have no non-stop competition now and could be like that for years. BLR-SFO should be started as soon as possible as they are missing valuable revenue on that sector now and perhaps try HYD-SFO too (or HYD-ORD).
#35
Join Date: Jul 2017
Programs: KrisFlyer Gold, Marriott & SPG Plat, Hilton Gold, ShangriLa Jade, Enterprise Plat, Taj Gold
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They probably can't fly BOM EWR daily because of a lack of planes. They used to fly daily before. The 5 additional planes will help them substantially. Of course now they have to get a PE service and make sure that the planes are consistently flying a set route. Having 2 aircraft types flying as AI 191/192 will only make passengers confused and angry.
#36
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,631
These new ULH route announcements are aspirational. No start date is given. They are implying that 5 new planes will let then start all these routes, but I think that is just PR.
If they push out their grounded 777s in a bit to expand routes, this will backfire. Using the nice DL planes on certain routes is in any case going to cause jealousy and confusion. They should improve their existing product in some consistent manner first, rather than just throwing everything at the wall. My guess is that they understand this, but I could be wrong.
If they push out their grounded 777s in a bit to expand routes, this will backfire. Using the nice DL planes on certain routes is in any case going to cause jealousy and confusion. They should improve their existing product in some consistent manner first, rather than just throwing everything at the wall. My guess is that they understand this, but I could be wrong.
#37
Join Date: Jul 2017
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Why should it cause jealousy and confusion if it is used on a dedicated route and doesn't have frequent plane swaps - I can imagine how peeved J & PE pax would be if that happened and they had to go from their 77Ls to AI older 77Ws...
Airlines upgrade their fleet all the time and that fleet upgrade takes places in a phased manner. BOM - EWR pax should not be jealous and confused if for example - DEL - EWR pax get the newer planes.
I do agree this is more PR/marketing gone crazy. Announcing 5 ULH routes with 5 new planes!
Airlines upgrade their fleet all the time and that fleet upgrade takes places in a phased manner. BOM - EWR pax should not be jealous and confused if for example - DEL - EWR pax get the newer planes.
I do agree this is more PR/marketing gone crazy. Announcing 5 ULH routes with 5 new planes!
#38
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Of course random swaps are even worse.
Last edited by SeeBuyFly; Sep 16, 2022 at 3:16 pm
#39
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What would get me cheesed off would be being promised a nice new 77L and being given a old broken down 77W seat in J.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if the 77L has a price premium. It should.
#40
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: SFO
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https://www.routesonline.com/news/29...-fleet-revamp/
Is this really happening?
Nonstop service from Bengaluru (BLR) to San Francisco will also resume on Oct. 31. Air India said that three round trips per week are planned, although OAG Schedules Analyser data shows that flights have initially been scheduled for twice a week.
#42
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: DEN
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They need to first fix the immigration queue in DEL/BOM during their peak departure times. It is like playing a roulette if you will make your flight or not as immigration and security checks are typically backed up. You can hear the calls as they track the last set of passengers through this process every night.
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#43
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They need to first fix the immigration queue in DEL/BOM during their peak departure times. It is like playing a roulette if you will make your flight or not as immigration and security checks are typically backed up. You can hear the calls as they track the last set of passengers through this process every night.
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#45
Join Date: Apr 2005
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With all the discussions about new routes and aircraft, I wanted to bring attention to the fact that if you do not make the flight none of this matters. Whether it is in AI's control or airport authorities, ultimately it is the passenger who suffers. I have been through this in Delhi and it sucks!