Fog in Delhi, advice please!
#1
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Fog in Delhi, advice please!
On Dec 22---as I am sure the date matters for fog issues---I'll have to: Fly PNQ-DEL; then connect to an international flight DEL-LHR (BA) about 3:40 AM next morning.
These will be separate tickets, so misconnecting is not an option.
My primary worry is the notorious Delhi fog which can ground all flights. So how much safety should I build in? In order of most convenient/risky connections, here are a few flight options organized as most convenient / risky first:
A. Depart PNQ 8 PM - Arrive DEL 10 PM. This will be very convenient connection at normal times. Arrive, hang around at the airport 1-2 hours, check in. Even if my own flt got canceled, there are three later ones. However, this will be very risky if the DEL fog grounds domestic flights, but international ones are given priority and cleared to take off.
B. 3:30 PM - 5:30 PM. A little safer. As long as we can get to DEL by midnight, we'll be ok, but not any later. Need to kill 6 hours, manageable.
C. 11:30 AM - 1:30 PM. Even safer. Need to kill 10 hours.
D. 7:30 AM - 9:30 AM. Probably the safest. Will need to kill a whole day in DEL, with luggage.
Dear Delhi fog experts, what would you do?
These will be separate tickets, so misconnecting is not an option.
My primary worry is the notorious Delhi fog which can ground all flights. So how much safety should I build in? In order of most convenient/risky connections, here are a few flight options organized as most convenient / risky first:
A. Depart PNQ 8 PM - Arrive DEL 10 PM. This will be very convenient connection at normal times. Arrive, hang around at the airport 1-2 hours, check in. Even if my own flt got canceled, there are three later ones. However, this will be very risky if the DEL fog grounds domestic flights, but international ones are given priority and cleared to take off.
B. 3:30 PM - 5:30 PM. A little safer. As long as we can get to DEL by midnight, we'll be ok, but not any later. Need to kill 6 hours, manageable.
C. 11:30 AM - 1:30 PM. Even safer. Need to kill 10 hours.
D. 7:30 AM - 9:30 AM. Probably the safest. Will need to kill a whole day in DEL, with luggage.
Dear Delhi fog experts, what would you do?
Last edited by aktchi; Aug 19, 2014 at 1:25 am
#2
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I'm not a "Delhi fog expert", but it is my impression that Delhi no longer has the same level of fog problems that it used to some years ago, as a result of the slow but steady increase in Cat-IIIB compliance by airlines.
In any case fog is not usually a problem in the afternoon or early evening. There are always exceptions, of course.
In any case fog is not usually a problem in the afternoon or early evening. There are always exceptions, of course.
Last edited by SeeBuyFly; Aug 18, 2014 at 2:29 pm
#4
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Fog last year was pretty bad too: airlines (except 9W) were better prepared to deal with it. AI rotated their Cat3 rated pilots to DEL for the 2 months that fog was at its worst. AI A32S flights all operated with a max delay of an hour or so. Not too sure about 6E since it operated from a different terminal.
9W was an unmitigated disaster all through!
A good idea may be to pick flights after 8AM, since fog starts clearing up by then. I usually play extra safe and only pick late evening flights.
9W was an unmitigated disaster all through!
A good idea may be to pick flights after 8AM, since fog starts clearing up by then. I usually play extra safe and only pick late evening flights.
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Thanks ashishp. This raises an interesting question: which carrier is expected to be best prepared with cat3 capablity in order to deal with fog?
Last edited by aktchi; Aug 18, 2014 at 9:22 pm
#6
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haven't been to Delhi for a while.Justthoughtmention. It here that. 9W is having bad luck streak lately .
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Due to Delhi fog in January 2014, 9W left us stranded in Indore for 2 days and it cost us over $1000 extra to get home. I hope you can avoid our fate! I agree that AI is much more reliable in fog, and that's how we ultimately got to DEL.
Is it possible for you to leave from BOM? That would save you a lot of headaches!
Is it possible for you to leave from BOM? That would save you a lot of headaches!
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Fog in Delhi, advice please!
The Delhi fog situation has improved considerably however last year my parents flight got cancelled after a wait of 6 hours at the airport. I would rather spend a day in Delhi meeting friends or sightseeing rather than have the anxiety.
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Last winter saw some zero-visibility days, but it's not like it happened every day or most days. One can overcompensate based on the worst-case scenario. Before that there were some years without major fog disruptions.
Even the OP's Option A will probably be fine. I've made similar connections in DEL in winter a couple of times in the last five years (this is also anecdotal, of course).
Even the OP's Option A will probably be fine. I've made similar connections in DEL in winter a couple of times in the last five years (this is also anecdotal, of course).
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Due to Delhi fog in January 2014, 9W left us stranded in Indore for 2 days and it cost us over $1000 extra to get home. I hope you can avoid our fate! I agree that AI is much more reliable in fog, and that's how we ultimately got to DEL.
Is it possible for you to leave from BOM? That would save you a lot of headaches!
Is it possible for you to leave from BOM? That would save you a lot of headaches!
I second the thought, specially when the OP wants to leave from PNQ. It is just around 3.5 hours drive between the airports.
About you being stranded in Indore for 2 days.. 2 days is pretty long, was it that bad ? And you mean to say 9W was not flying to Delhi, while AI was ?
#11
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On Dec 22---as I am sure the date matters for fog issues---I'll have to: Fly PNQ-DEL; then connect to an international flight DEL-LHR (BA) about 3:40 AM next morning.
These will be separate tickets, so misconnecting is not an option.
My primary worry is the notorious Delhi fog which can ground all flights. So how much safety should I build in? In order of most convenient/risky connections, here are a few flight options organized as most convenient / risky first:
A. Depart PNQ 8 PM - Arrive DEL 10 PM. This will be very convenient connection at normal times. Arrive, hang around at the airport 1-2 hours, check in. Even if my flt own got canceled, there are three later ones. However, this will be very risky if the DEL fog grounds domestic flights, but international ones are given priority and cleared to take off.
B. 3:30 PM - 5:30 PM. A little safer. As long as we can get to DEL by midnight, we'll be ok, but not any later. Need to kill 6 hours, manageable.
C. 11:30 AM - 1:30 PM. Even safer. Need to kill 10 hours.
D. 7:30 AM - 9:30 AM. Probably the safest. Will need to kill a whole day in DEL, with luggage.
Dear Delhi fog experts, what would you do?
These will be separate tickets, so misconnecting is not an option.
My primary worry is the notorious Delhi fog which can ground all flights. So how much safety should I build in? In order of most convenient/risky connections, here are a few flight options organized as most convenient / risky first:
A. Depart PNQ 8 PM - Arrive DEL 10 PM. This will be very convenient connection at normal times. Arrive, hang around at the airport 1-2 hours, check in. Even if my flt own got canceled, there are three later ones. However, this will be very risky if the DEL fog grounds domestic flights, but international ones are given priority and cleared to take off.
B. 3:30 PM - 5:30 PM. A little safer. As long as we can get to DEL by midnight, we'll be ok, but not any later. Need to kill 6 hours, manageable.
C. 11:30 AM - 1:30 PM. Even safer. Need to kill 10 hours.
D. 7:30 AM - 9:30 AM. Probably the safest. Will need to kill a whole day in DEL, with luggage.
Dear Delhi fog experts, what would you do?
Usually I will do morning flight, then take up a hotel (much better than the risk of missing an international connection) or I will go to a relatives place.
#12
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Due to Delhi fog in January 2014, 9W left us stranded in Indore for 2 days and it cost us over $1000 extra to get home. I hope you can avoid our fate! I agree that AI is much more reliable in fog, and that's how we ultimately got to DEL...Is it possible for you to leave from BOM? That would save you a lot of headaches!
I am so sorry to hear about your IDR expense. Another reminder of the importance of travel insurance.
In my case, BOM was not an option; DEL was the only option compatible with our dates and other constraints.
Last edited by aktchi; Aug 19, 2014 at 10:47 am
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Good luck!
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A. Depart PNQ 8 PM - Arrive DEL 10 PM. This will be very convenient connection at normal times. Arrive, hang around at the airport 1-2 hours, check in. Even if my own flt got canceled, there are three later ones. However, this will be very risky if the DEL fog grounds domestic flights, but international ones are given priority and cleared to take off.
B. 3:30 PM - 5:30 PM. A little safer. As long as we can get to DEL by midnight, we'll be ok, but not any later. Need to kill 6 hours, manageable.
C. 11:30 AM - 1:30 PM. Even safer. Need to kill 10 hours.
D. 7:30 AM - 9:30 AM. Probably the safest. Will need to kill a whole day in DEL, with luggage.
B. 3:30 PM - 5:30 PM. A little safer. As long as we can get to DEL by midnight, we'll be ok, but not any later. Need to kill 6 hours, manageable.
C. 11:30 AM - 1:30 PM. Even safer. Need to kill 10 hours.
D. 7:30 AM - 9:30 AM. Probably the safest. Will need to kill a whole day in DEL, with luggage.
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