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Breaking: CAN transfer bonus avios to BAEC!

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Old Jul 29, 18, 1:13 pm
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Iberia said in writing all along that your IB account will go negative 90k on 1st December if you move them to BA. What the consequences are we don ‘t know.
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Old Jul 29, 18, 1:13 pm
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Originally Posted by gt_croz View Post
Do we have any data around if the transfer of the promotional miles from IB to BA circumvents the December 1 expiration policy? The whole "what happens to the miles on Dec 1" feels a bit nebulous still. I don't know if it's possible for them to submit a negative 90k transfer to BA through the Avios program or if by getting them out the miles have effectively been sequestered at that point.
That's my biggest question right now.
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Old Jul 29, 18, 1:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Raffles View Post
Iberia said in writing all along that your IB account will go negative 90k on 1st December if you move them to BA. What the consequences are we don Ďt know.
I don't understand. If now the authorized to transfer avios to BAEC, then this action might not sound good or actually make not sense at all. This is confuse. How can they permit Avios transfer as it was not in the T&C, but later negative an account?
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Old Jul 29, 18, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by craigthemif View Post
It is very clear from the overall T&Cs of Iberia Plus and British Airways Executive Club that "Combine Your Avios" is not a qualifying activity and is not "spending Avios". The fact that the promotional T&Cs may or may not have excluded CMA, doesn't mean by omission that CMA is now considered a qualifying use of Avios. .
I think you're confusing 2 different issues: 1 is transfering avios, the other is using avios. The T&Cs allowed the USE of avios (redeeming - be it on tickets or hotels or whatever partner IP has) until the 1st of Deceber, after which they will expire whether they're in my IP account or transfered to my BAEC account.
The other issue is transfering to BAEC, which was not forbidden in the T&Cs.
So if I transfer my 90k avios to BAEC and redeem them there until Dec 1st that should not pose any problem or risk to any of my accounts (IP or BAEC).
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Old Jul 29, 18, 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by broland View Post
I think you're confusing 2 different issues: 1 is transfering avios, the other is using avios. The T&Cs allowed the USE of avios (redeeming - be it on tickets or hotels or whatever partner IP has) until the 1st of Deceber, after which they will expire whether they're in my IP account or transfered to my BAEC account.
The other issue is transfering to BAEC, which was not forbidden in the T&Cs.
So if I transfer my 90k avios to BAEC and redeem them there until Dec 1st that should not pose any problem or risk to any of my accounts (IP or BAEC).
I am not confusing anything. You are now able to move your 90k avios to BAEC. Enjoy.

If you believe that redeeming Avios via BAEC is 100% exactly the same thing as redeeming Avios via Iberia Plus under the T&Cs of an Iberia Plus promotion, even though the two programmes are completely separate and are only linked by CMA, then I look forward to hearing back in December about how that went for you...
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Old Jul 29, 18, 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by twilson1995 View Post
whats the newspaper its going to be in?
One Mile at a Time pointed out that the restriction appeared to be lifted. Raffles says this is Iberia getting out ahead of a story coming out in Sunday’s edition of The Mail in the U.K.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30018476-post2380.html
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Old Jul 29, 18, 5:00 pm
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The only upside for me would be one way redemptions. However the awards i'm looking at are a better value in IB Avios so the only transfer I did was BA to IB.
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Old Jul 29, 18, 5:40 pm
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I’d be incredibly surprised if Iberia’s systems are able to support negative Avios balances. Especially given how generally flakey they appear to be. I’m also intrigued whether you could “insulate” yourself by using other programmes as a proxy. I’m already having to go through avios.com because I have a household BAEC account but what if I also went through AerClub and Vuelling, for example?

The other question is whether you’re able to close your account before Dec 1st but after transferring your Avios out. Under GDPR you have the “Right to Erasure” of your personal data and if you have no upcoming flights, and didn’t take any flights (so Iberia had no compelling reason to hold data on you for compliance reasons) you may be able to close your account and request your data be deleted. You would then, no doubt, enter in to a discussion with their data controller about whether this was appropriate or not. I don’t know if you would win that discussion, but I’d love to hear the results of anyone who tries. Companies are very twitchy when it comes to GDPR.

These are hypotheticals, obviously, and against the spirit of the offer if not the explicit terms. I’m happy that I can now transfer to BAEC as I believed I could when I booked the flights.
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Old Jul 29, 18, 5:53 pm
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Originally Posted by craigthemif View Post
I am not confusing anything. You are now able to move your 90k avios to BAEC. Enjoy.

If you believe that redeeming Avios via BAEC is 100% exactly the same thing as redeeming Avios via Iberia Plus under the T&Cs of an Iberia Plus promotion, even though the two programmes are completely separate and are only linked by CMA, then I look forward to hearing back in December about how that went for you...
I never used my Iberia Plus account or Iberia before this promo and I don't plan to in the future, so I think I'll be fine.
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Old Jul 29, 18, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Raffles View Post
Iberia said in writing all along that your IB account will go negative 90k on 1st December if you move them to BA. What the consequences are we don ‘t know.
They said that in a tweet, and tweets by Iberia agents as a response to a question should be taken with a grain of salt.

There was no mention, in the terms of the promo page of Iberia website, of balances going negative if the points are not used by December
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Old Jul 30, 18, 3:17 am
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The original T&Cs had no reference to transfers out. I had planned all along to use the points before Dec, and to either use them on Iberia flights or move them to BA. It now seems that the IB website is pants and Iím not going to get anything usable there, so I will move them to BA, where Iíll still be spending them before Dec.

Because the original T&Cs only said they had to be spent by Dec, then I donít think Iíd be breaching those by spending them on BAEC before Dec. I donít really use Twitter so nothing said there can be deemed to have been added, and all the blogs I saw had different bits of information - thereís no way they can day they notified a change in T&Cs via blogs when their own web page still showed the original info.
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Old Jul 30, 18, 4:57 am
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Originally Posted by ClaireL View Post
The original T&Cs had no reference to transfers out. I had planned all along to use the points before Dec, and to either use them on Iberia flights or move them to BA. It now seems that the IB website is pants and Iím not going to get anything usable there, so I will move them to BA, where Iíll still be spending them before Dec.

Because the original T&Cs only said they had to be spent by Dec, then I donít think Iíd be breaching those by spending them on BAEC before Dec. I donít really use Twitter so nothing said there can be deemed to have been added, and all the blogs I saw had different bits of information - thereís no way they can day they notified a change in T&Cs via blogs when their own web page still showed the original info.
The original T&C said that redemption were subject to the general Iberia Avis T&C's.
These T&C's state that transferring to a BAEC does not count as spending them.
and spending them on BA is not spending them on Iberia.
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Old Jul 30, 18, 5:07 am
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Originally Posted by holloway1000 View Post
The original T&C said that redemption were subject to the general Iberia Avis T&C's.
These T&C's state that transferring to a BAEC does not count as spending them.
and spending them on BA is not spending them on Iberia.
We really need an official answer from Iberia.
If I transfer avios to BAEC won't it be bound to BAEC T&C's? Can Iberia request BAEC to "expire" avios even though the BAEC avios does not expire if you movement it? How can they say that from now we can transfer avios to BAEC but we will be penalized with negative avios by December 1st? Then we are not authorized to do it.
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Old Jul 30, 18, 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by holloway1000 View Post
The original T&C said that redemption were subject to the general Iberia Avis T&C's.
These T&C's state that transferring to a BAEC does not count as spending them.
and spending them on BA is not spending them on Iberia.
Did the original promo T&Cs state that they had to be spent on Iberia though? Not that I recall - only that they had to be Ďspentí by Dec. So transferring them isnít spending them, but spending them on another website is, surely?
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Old Jul 30, 18, 6:07 am
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Originally Posted by ClaireL View Post
Did the original promo T&Cs state that they had to be spent on Iberia though? Not that I recall - only that they had to be Ďspentí by Dec. So transferring them isnít spending them, but spending them on another website is, surely?
Yes, they said you need to use those Avios before December 1 and all other IbPlus T&C applied. Transferring Avios to BAEC does not count as usage.

On a related not, Iberia Plus does indeed contemplate negative balances. Normally that's not the case, only if you are Platino and have borrowed some Avios from Iberia Plus for a redemption. The problem will be once there is a big sum of accounts with negative balances - god knows how IbPus will react to that. Time to stocking up some popcorn.
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