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Breaking: CAN transfer bonus avios to BAEC!

Breaking: CAN transfer bonus avios to BAEC!

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Old Jul 28, 18, 1:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Raffles View Post
Transferability of these Avios to British Airways

I have been working with a major British newspaper on a story about this offer, which is due to run on Sunday (full page feature). Iberia is giving the impression that it is going to cave in (to avoid bad publicity to a few million readers of this newspaper) - in the face of written correspondence to me that transfers out of Iberia would be possible - and will begin to allow the bonus Avios to be moved to BA.

This is NOT 100% certain yet. However, don't make any redemption in the next couple of days via Iberia if you would have preferred to move them to BA and spend via BAEC instead, as it may still be possible.
Thank you for the heads up!

How about if you transfer the Avios to BA and then use them before 12/1?
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Old Jul 28, 18, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Prospero View Post
I would be wary about converting Avios over to a BAEC account as an alternative means of spending the promotional Avios. Even if it now possible to do this, it is highly unlikely such an action would override the general conditions of membership. In fact the promotion's T&C explicitly stated:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29891581-post14.html
The extra promotional Avios not redeemed by 1 December 2018 will be withdrawn from the customer's account. The redemption terms and conditions are subject to the general terms and conditions of the Iberia Plus programme.
To anyone contemplating this action, I recommend you read up on the programme’s T&C and conduct your own risk assessment before acting
The question is how they follow up when the account goes negative. I don't live in the EU though I gave an EU address when I registered, I've never flown IB and virtually never BA, my accounts with both are pretty irrelevant to me, how'd they get them back then
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Old Jul 28, 18, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by beagleflyer1977 View Post
I booked them online - LAX to OGG.
On Iberia's website?

Just transferred my Avios back to BA for the following:

Combine my Avios was successful

Your reference is xxxxxxxxxx. We have emailed a confirmation of your transaction to the following registered email addresses:

Your transfer

You transferred 165,950 Avios from Iberia Plus to British Airways.
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Old Jul 28, 18, 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by skywardhunter View Post
The question is how they follow up when the account goes negative. I don't live in the EU though I gave an EU address when I registered, I've never flown IB and virtually never BA, my accounts with both are pretty irrelevant to me, how'd they get them back then
while it is true that a member has the option to close his/her IB+ account, it not clear what Iberia’s position would be with regard to the negative balance. Disenrollment is processed by request only.

It is also worth noting that when IB Plus and BA Executive Club eventually migrate to the common Avios platform, the balances belonging to an individual's IB Plus and BAEC accounts will be merged into a single balance. Once the migration is complete, members will be able redeem from and add credit to their single Avios "bank account" from both or any one of the programmes they belong to.

So a negative balance may catch up with you in the not too distant future, in which case all the effort engaging in this promotion will be for nothing.
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Old Jul 28, 18, 4:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Kalboz View Post
On Iberia's website?

Just transferred my Avios back to BA for the following:

Combine my Avios was successful

Your reference is xxxxxxxxxx. We have emailed a confirmation of your transaction to the following registered email addresses:

Your transfer

You transferred 165,950 Avios from Iberia Plus to British Airways.

Yes on Iberia's website.
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Old Jul 28, 18, 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Raffles View Post
He is not breaching the terms of the promo and Iberia specifically told leading bloggers that transfers would be allowed.

Don't go all revisionist on us now :-)

For UK residents this is a big deal, because we are all sitting on '241' Avios redemption vouchers via the BA Amex credit card which require the redemption to be made via BAEC.
Hi raffles,

I'm still a bit confused about what will happen with the IB+ account if the Avios are transferred to BA , AND redeemed prior to 1 Dec 18. Will the IB+ account still go 90,000 points negative resulting in an Avios debt or will the migration to BA satisfy them? Will the points transferred to BA some how be tagged in the system as expiring on 1 Dec 18? If the points are tagged, how do we ensure that redemptions made before 1 Dec 18 are using the Avios with the short fuse?

Thanks
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Old Jul 28, 18, 7:22 pm
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Guess this is the article:
Iberia backs down and agrees to allow Avios holders to add 90,000 points to their existing pot | Daily Mail Online
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Old Jul 28, 18, 8:45 pm
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"It means British Airways customers will now be able to use the bonus Avios loyalty points in the way they believed the offer promised."

Is that the criteria now, just believing something makes it true?
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Old Jul 28, 18, 10:09 pm
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Originally Posted by rrgg View Post
"It means British Airways customers will now be able to use the bonus Avios loyalty points in the way they believed the offer promised."

Is that the criteria now, just believing something makes it true?
Yes, a "reasonable person" would expect to be able to use the promo Avios like any other Avios, and that there won't be restrictions other than those spelled out in the terms. And conditions of the promo.
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Old Jul 28, 18, 10:17 pm
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Originally Posted by gnargel View Post
Good for you, but you are breaching the T&C's of the promo. Don't be surprised if your IB and your BA account are going to be locked shortly or IB is coming after you in a different way....
Do you own shares in Iberia ? Who do so many people immediately side with the stingy sleazy for-profit price gouging airlines ?

Originally Posted by Prospero View Post
I would be wary about converting Avios over to a BAEC account as an alternative means of spending the promotional Avios. Even if it now possible to do this, it is highly unlikely such an action would override the general conditions of membership. In fact the promotion's T&C explicitly stated:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29891581-post14.html
The extra promotional Avios not redeemed by 1 December 2018 will be withdrawn from the customer's account. The redemption terms and conditions are subject to the general terms and conditions of the Iberia Plus programme.
To anyone contemplating this action, I recommend you read up on the programme’s T&C and conduct your own risk assessment before acting
We don't care if a crappy airline with lousy customer service is unhappy about transferring out our Avios and decides to terminate our Iberia Plus or bans us.

I did not receive a direct communication from Iberia about the change of terms of the offer, and even if I did, it would have been retroactive and thus void

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Old Jul 28, 18, 10:19 pm
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It was mentioned again and again during the promotion that transfers to BA would not be allowed.
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Old Jul 28, 18, 10:35 pm
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Originally Posted by relaxonbarton View Post
Hi raffles,

I'm still a bit confused about what will happen with the IB+ account if the Avios are transferred to BA , AND redeemed prior to 1 Dec 18. Will the IB+ account still go 90,000 points negative resulting in an Avios debt or will the migration to BA satisfy them? Will the points transferred to BA some how be tagged in the system as expiring on 1 Dec 18? If the points are tagged, how do we ensure that redemptions made before 1 Dec 18 are using the Avios with the short fuse?

Thanks
About the Iberia Plus balances going negative, I'll believe it when I see it. Iberia Plus agents are unable or don't know how to search for availability and book awards on Royal Air Maroc, even though it's clearly stated on Iberia Plus as a redemption possibility.
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Old Jul 28, 18, 10:35 pm
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Originally Posted by ChocolateFactory View Post
It was mentioned again and again during the promotion that transfers to BA would not be allowed.
Not in the original terms. That's whats been questioned.
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Old Jul 28, 18, 10:39 pm
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Originally Posted by ChocolateFactory View Post
It was mentioned again and again during the promotion that transfers to BA would not be allowed.
Mentioned where ? If it's a letter sent to bloggers, it doesn't count. Not everyone reads miles & points blogs. If it's something added retroactively after people participated in the promo, it's unenforceable and void.
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Old Jul 28, 18, 10:46 pm
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Yeah, right. Because all of you found the promotion all by yourselves.
The next step will be that BA will have to restrict redemptions, punishing all BAEC members.
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