Hyatt to Acquire Dream Hotel Group
Dec 1, 2022, 11:23 am
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If a TSU can be applied to a full suite, it will be a huge improvement over Marriott for me
Dec 1, 2022, 5:05 pm
#47
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Yes, Hyatt continues to expand in a country that most of the world can't currently travel to and has stated their intention to remain closed off to the world for the foreseeable future. Hyatt should increase focus on the rest of the world where more folks can actually visit.
Dec 1, 2022, 5:11 pm
#48
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In general I agree, but based on the timelines for hotel openings, isn’t it fair to say that most of the growth in China was planned well before Covid restrictions? How many new projects / builds have been announced in the past year or so vs pre 2020 when China did seem to be their primary focus for growth?
Dec 1, 2022, 6:15 pm
#49
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Hyatt only has 135 properties in mainland China vs 780 in US. Marriott has around 60 properties in Shanghai alone (my Marriott app not working again so I can't get exact number for you).
Until covid mess, 1.4 billion of us living here we're traveling like crazy and need more properties. People in US complain of difficulty of requalifing for globalist in us, imagine what it's like here.
It's easy for Marriott in China ad they have a ton of properties. Hyatt needs to focus growth on China where it is far too slow. Most of recent acquisitions help us based people. Pace of growth is too low in China which is a less mature market
Until covid mess, 1.4 billion of us living here we're traveling like crazy and need more properties. People in US complain of difficulty of requalifing for globalist in us, imagine what it's like here.
It's easy for Marriott in China ad they have a ton of properties. Hyatt needs to focus growth on China where it is far too slow. Most of recent acquisitions help us based people. Pace of growth is too low in China which is a less mature market
Dec 1, 2022, 6:24 pm
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Hyatt only has 135 properties in mainland China vs 780 in US. Marriott has around 60 properties in Shanghai alone (my Marriott app not working again so I can't get exact number for you).
Until covid mess, 1.4 billion of us living here we're traveling like crazy and need more properties. People in US complain of difficulty of requalifing for globalist in us, imagine what it's like here.
It's easy for Marriott in China ad they have a ton of properties. Hyatt needs to focus growth on China where it is far too slow. Most of recent acquisitions help us based people. Pace of growth is too low in China which is a less mature market
Until covid mess, 1.4 billion of us living here we're traveling like crazy and need more properties. People in US complain of difficulty of requalifing for globalist in us, imagine what it's like here.
It's easy for Marriott in China ad they have a ton of properties. Hyatt needs to focus growth on China where it is far too slow. Most of recent acquisitions help us based people. Pace of growth is too low in China which is a less mature market
Dec 1, 2022, 9:07 pm
#51
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So, I have mixed opinions on the acquisitions. The result seems to be piling up hotels in a few cities (e.g. 5 of the 12 already open seem to be in NYC) rather than building out some breadth. On the other hand, having some non-HP/HH places in some of these cities is a nice change.
That being said, I'm hopeful that these will be in the same bucket as HRs and so on rather than the sorts of high-end/all-inclusive properties that showed up in the prior (mostly-pointless-to-me) acquisitions.
[I'd also kind-of like some expansions in the UK that aren't in the "high end boutique" bucket. The SLH-type hotels really don't "fit" with the sort of places I'd be inclined to stay.]
That being said, I'm hopeful that these will be in the same bucket as HRs and so on rather than the sorts of high-end/all-inclusive properties that showed up in the prior (mostly-pointless-to-me) acquisitions.
[I'd also kind-of like some expansions in the UK that aren't in the "high end boutique" bucket. The SLH-type hotels really don't "fit" with the sort of places I'd be inclined to stay.]
Last edited by GrayAnderson; Dec 1, 2022 at 9:12 pm
Dec 14, 2022, 6:43 am
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I'm posting this as a separate post because it's been a few weeks, but there's something I'm genuinely curious about: Why isn't Hyatt moving to consolidate some of these brands? They might down the line, I guess, but it feels like 11 resort brands (9 under "inclusive" plus Mirival and Alila) seems a bit excessive (especially since IIRC a few of the brands are quite small). For example, I'm not sure why Secrets and Breathless aren't just being merged with Zilara.
[And to think, I remember when Hyatt only had ten brands, and that to get the second Brand Explorer FNA you'd have to stay at Ziva or Zilara because without one or the other you were going to be "stuck" at 9 brands...]
[And to think, I remember when Hyatt only had ten brands, and that to get the second Brand Explorer FNA you'd have to stay at Ziva or Zilara because without one or the other you were going to be "stuck" at 9 brands...]
Dec 14, 2022, 7:34 am
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I'm posting this as a separate post because it's been a few weeks, but there's something I'm genuinely curious about: Why isn't Hyatt moving to consolidate some of these brands? They might down the line, I guess, but it feels like 11 resort brands (9 under "inclusive" plus Mirival and Alila) seems a bit excessive (especially since IIRC a few of the brands are quite small). For example, I'm not sure why Secrets and Breathless aren't just being merged with Zilara.
[And to think, I remember when Hyatt only [i]had ten brands, and that to get the second Brand Explorer FNA you'd have to stay at Ziva or Zilara because without one or the other you were going to be "stuck" at 9 brands...]
[And to think, I remember when Hyatt only [i]had ten brands, and that to get the second Brand Explorer FNA you'd have to stay at Ziva or Zilara because without one or the other you were going to be "stuck" at 9 brands...]
"I don't really see the problem with adding more brands to the Hyatt portfolio. It means more chances to get the "Brand Explorer" free night, and a hotel to earn/redeem Hyatt points is a hotel to earn/redeem Hyatt points."
Dec 14, 2022, 8:24 am
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I'm posting this as a separate post because it's been a few weeks, but there's something I'm genuinely curious about: Why isn't Hyatt moving to consolidate some of these brands? They might down the line, I guess, but it feels like 11 resort brands (9 under "inclusive" plus Mirival and Alila) seems a bit excessive (especially since IIRC a few of the brands are quite small). For example, I'm not sure why Secrets and Breathless aren't just being merged with Zilara.
[And to think, I remember when Hyatt only [i]had ten brands, and that to get the second Brand Explorer FNA you'd have to stay at Ziva or Zilara because without one or the other you were going to be "stuck" at 9 brands...]
[And to think, I remember when Hyatt only [i]had ten brands, and that to get the second Brand Explorer FNA you'd have to stay at Ziva or Zilara because without one or the other you were going to be "stuck" at 9 brands...]
You write this as if it's an original thought. And if you scroll up, you'll see my comment copied below that goes contrary to your point got 11 likes.
"I don't really see the problem with adding more brands to the Hyatt portfolio. It means more chances to get the "Brand Explorer" free night, and a hotel to earn/redeem Hyatt points is a hotel to earn/redeem Hyatt points."
"I don't really see the problem with adding more brands to the Hyatt portfolio. It means more chances to get the "Brand Explorer" free night, and a hotel to earn/redeem Hyatt points is a hotel to earn/redeem Hyatt points."
Dec 14, 2022, 9:14 am
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I mean, serious question, I haven't seen any new development or announcements for HR, GH, or PH outside of China, except for HR SLC and HR London Blackfriars. Now, I'm not the most up-to-date on development news, but the fact that I can't think of anything else seems like it should say something. Hyatt can expand on China all they want, but they should also be expanding in their core brands outside of China.
Dec 14, 2022, 10:29 am
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Dec 14, 2022, 11:16 am
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The key difference there is that Hyatt bought the Amerisuites brand and underlying hotels, rebranded them all, and then sold off the hotels. So in that case, they actually owned the properties. Hyatt isn't buying hotels here, only the brand.
Dec 15, 2022, 12:03 am
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Not unlike IHG has 3 properties within a block in Paris - IC, Kimpton, and Indigo.
Feb 3, 2023, 12:26 am
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Acquisition completed yesterday; Dream will join as a standalone brand in the Boundless Collection alongside the likes of Alila, Thompson and Hyatt Centric, while The Chatwal and The Time hotels will be folded into Unbound, and Unscripted into JdV.
As of now, only The Chatwal NYC has joined WOH, and basic websites have gone up for Dream Downtown NY and Dream Nashville. More info and timelines about the other properties becoming participating coming later.
khabah
As of now, only The Chatwal NYC has joined WOH, and basic websites have gone up for Dream Downtown NY and Dream Nashville. More info and timelines about the other properties becoming participating coming later.
khabah