How to Mattress Run (without being present to check out)
Sep 12, 2019, 3:41 pm
#46
Join Date: Aug 2007
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If the seller wouldn't object or didn’t object then there’s zero issue.
But, if you are intentionally seeking to deceive or lie your way into something of monetary value then therein lies the issue.
Hopefully the Hyatt Concierge will comment on this in terms of whether they consider pretend (but paid for) stays, in order to get Globalist status, to be fraud and would take action against people they think are doing this... which could be easily reported to them by hotels.
Sep 12, 2019, 4:07 pm
#47
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Been doing this for years on 4 night stays. NEVER EVER, did I have a problem. Just hang the DND and mess up the bed all is good.
Sep 12, 2019, 4:48 pm
#48
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 7,875
Here's an idea - DON'T DO IT. If you can't stay w/Hyatt enough to get status (legitimately) then do something else..
Hyatt now does have a policy of checking rooms every day. That doesn't mean they actually do it. However, you'll note that DND cards are being replaced with "Room Occupied" cards in order to wean people away from expecting they won't come in or try to check on you. If it appears you've left, they will check you out and you take that risk
The bottom line is what you are doing is a form of fraud. You are lying to the hotel (you want them to think you are there when in fact you aren't) in order to gain a future financial benefit in the form of elite status perks which have substantial monetary value. Of course, if you want to simply be upfront with them, tell them what you are doing, and see if they care (they might not - especially if they are a franchise and not booked) then that's an option.
Hyatt now does have a policy of checking rooms every day. That doesn't mean they actually do it. However, you'll note that DND cards are being replaced with "Room Occupied" cards in order to wean people away from expecting they won't come in or try to check on you. If it appears you've left, they will check you out and you take that risk
The bottom line is what you are doing is a form of fraud. You are lying to the hotel (you want them to think you are there when in fact you aren't) in order to gain a future financial benefit in the form of elite status perks which have substantial monetary value. Of course, if you want to simply be upfront with them, tell them what you are doing, and see if they care (they might not - especially if they are a franchise and not booked) then that's an option.
You guys are confusing theft for fraud. They are related but there are differences.
Anytime you lie to a seller to get something of monetary value from that seller that they would NOT give to you if they knew the truth you are engaging in a form of fraud.
Its like a mileage run where you bought the cheapo ticket and figured out how to NOT be on the plane but still get the miles and (extremely valuable) status. That’s fraud too, even though you paid for the ticket. You are cheating the airline out of something valuable.
Bottom line is this kind of behavior is damaging to those of us who play by the rules.
Anytime you lie to a seller to get something of monetary value from that seller that they would NOT give to you if they knew the truth you are engaging in a form of fraud.
Its like a mileage run where you bought the cheapo ticket and figured out how to NOT be on the plane but still get the miles and (extremely valuable) status. That’s fraud too, even though you paid for the ticket. You are cheating the airline out of something valuable.
Bottom line is this kind of behavior is damaging to those of us who play by the rules.
And leaving a review for a hotel you never stayed in-I don't think that is even "kind of" fraud. That is blatant fraud. You aren't even lying by omitting saying something. You are lying by the very fact you are posting a review.
Bottom line is this kind of behavior ("fraudulent review") is bad for those of who who play by the rules (actually review places we stay at).
(and your comment if you don't stay there enough "legitimately"-what is legitimate? You mean people who don't live in hotels (eg travelling most of the year, like some of us) shouldn't be able to obtain status?)
Sep 12, 2019, 4:49 pm
#49
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 7,875
Good Lord. Did you even read my comments? Would Hyatt object to what you did? No.
If the seller wouldn't object or didn’t object then there’s zero issue.
But, if you are intentionally seeking to deceive or lie your way into something of monetary value then therein lies the issue.
Hopefully the Hyatt Concierge will comment on this in terms of whether they consider pretend (but paid for) stays, in order to get Globalist status, to be fraud and would take action against people they think are doing this... which could be easily reported to them by hotels.
If the seller wouldn't object or didn’t object then there’s zero issue.
But, if you are intentionally seeking to deceive or lie your way into something of monetary value then therein lies the issue.
Hopefully the Hyatt Concierge will comment on this in terms of whether they consider pretend (but paid for) stays, in order to get Globalist status, to be fraud and would take action against people they think are doing this... which could be easily reported to them by hotels.
Sep 12, 2019, 4:58 pm
#50
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Good Lord. Did you even read my comments? Would Hyatt object to what you did? No.
If the seller wouldn't object or didn’t object then there’s zero issue.
But, if you are intentionally seeking to deceive or lie your way into something of monetary value then therein lies the issue.
Hopefully the Hyatt Concierge will comment on this in terms of whether they consider pretend (but paid for) stays, in order to get Globalist status, to be fraud and would take action against people they think are doing this... which could be easily reported to them by hotels.
If the seller wouldn't object or didn’t object then there’s zero issue.
But, if you are intentionally seeking to deceive or lie your way into something of monetary value then therein lies the issue.
Hopefully the Hyatt Concierge will comment on this in terms of whether they consider pretend (but paid for) stays, in order to get Globalist status, to be fraud and would take action against people they think are doing this... which could be easily reported to them by hotels.
Hyatt obviously wants to avoid giving out benefits when it can, but when people can get more night credits from buying a couch than from actually renting a room, it's hard to get too worked up about it.
Anyway, just as a legal matter, fraud requires proof of intent, and that's all but impossible in most of these mattress-run situations. Last I knew, Hyatt's T&Cs don't require people to present themselves for checkout.
Sep 12, 2019, 5:33 pm
#51
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Location: Chicago, IL
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Sep 12, 2019, 6:43 pm
#52
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 7,875
If you plan to stay a few weeks, I doubt they would expect you to be there daily anyway. You could just be using it as a place to stay, temporary lodging. You could still go away for a weekend.
Sep 12, 2019, 7:24 pm
#53
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You guys are confusing theft for fraud. They are related but there are differences.
Anytime you lie to a seller to get something of monetary value from that seller that they would NOT give to you if they knew the truth you are engaging in a form of fraud.
Its like a mileage run where you bought the cheapo ticket and figured out how to NOT be on the plane but still get the miles and (extremely valuable) status. That’s fraud too, even though you paid for the ticket. You are cheating the airline out of something valuable.
Bottom line is this kind of behavior is damaging to those of us who play by the rules.
Anytime you lie to a seller to get something of monetary value from that seller that they would NOT give to you if they knew the truth you are engaging in a form of fraud.
Its like a mileage run where you bought the cheapo ticket and figured out how to NOT be on the plane but still get the miles and (extremely valuable) status. That’s fraud too, even though you paid for the ticket. You are cheating the airline out of something valuable.
Bottom line is this kind of behavior is damaging to those of us who play by the rules.
Man o Man what are you smoking or drinking??
I guess its also wrong if I rent a car for 1 week and drive the 3 miles to where Im staying and not use it till its time to return it. Heck others may now have to pay more for their rental. I guess youd say since I knew all I would be doing is driving it 6 miles in total Im gaming the system.
I bet you that neither the Hotel in the OPs case or rental company in mine could give 2 hoots whats done with their item as long as no illegal activity is done and they are fully paid
Sep 12, 2019, 9:28 pm
#54
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The bottom line is what you are doing is a form of fraud. You are lying to the hotel (you want them to think you are there when in fact you aren't) in order to gain a future financial benefit in the form of elite status perks which have substantial monetary value. Of course, if you want to simply be upfront with them, tell them what you are doing, and see if they care (they might not - especially if they are a franchise and not booked) then that's an option.
You guys are confusing theft for fraud. They are related but there are differences.
Anytime you lie to a seller to get something of monetary value from that seller that they would NOT give to you if they knew the truth you are engaging in a form of fraud.
Its like a mileage run where you bought the cheapo ticket and figured out how to NOT be on the plane but still get the miles and (extremely valuable) status. That’s fraud too, even though you paid for the ticket. You are cheating the airline out of something valuable.
Bottom line is this kind of behavior is damaging to those of us who play by the rules.
Anytime you lie to a seller to get something of monetary value from that seller that they would NOT give to you if they knew the truth you are engaging in a form of fraud.
Its like a mileage run where you bought the cheapo ticket and figured out how to NOT be on the plane but still get the miles and (extremely valuable) status. That’s fraud too, even though you paid for the ticket. You are cheating the airline out of something valuable.
Bottom line is this kind of behavior is damaging to those of us who play by the rules.
It hurts the rest of us not at all if the OP want's to pay a hotel the rate they want for a room. It's patently absurd to pretend otherwise. Unless of course me paying my mortgage for the whole year but only using my house half the time is fraud. In which case I suppose that everyone on this forum is a criminal.
Sep 12, 2019, 9:42 pm
#55
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How do I block ever seeing posts from this individual again? This is beyond nonsense.
Sep 12, 2019, 10:44 pm
#57
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Houston,Texas,USA
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Hope you remember the new 4th quarter promo begins on the second stay. Best to do your run staring with one single night, then commence your longer bundle of nights so you can earn the double or triple points
Sep 12, 2019, 11:00 pm
#58
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Check in, let them know you have an urgent need to go elsewhere but you need to keep the room as you may return. Follow up with an email too if feasible.
No guarantees especially if you dont leave any of your stuff in there..
No guarantees especially if you dont leave any of your stuff in there..
Sep 13, 2019, 1:26 am
#60
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