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Dec 20, 2018, 5:59 pm
#91
Join Date: Feb 2003
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Or I would have a suite for the first 6 nights but not for the last night?
If I cannot use an upgrade, then I should only use my free night on a stay where I do NOT intend to use one of my 4 suite upgrades?
Workaround: (I almost hate to post this): Book all the nights as paid. Apply your suite upgrade. Then call reservations and apply your free night award to the existing (upgraded) reservation. (Say something like "uh-oh, my mistake, I meant to use a free night and I just plum forgot. Can you fix it for me please?") Some agents won't let you do this, but most will.
Dec 20, 2018, 6:08 pm
#92
Join Date: Feb 2003
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TSU is allows on a POINTS reservation. It might be allowed on the(used to be annual, now based on spend) free night you get as a credit card holder. But TSU is specifically _not_ allowed on the night you award you earn at 30-nights and 60-nights. And if you use one of those awards for just ONE night of a stay, the _entire_ stay is ineligible for suite upgrade.
We agree 100%. Currently, the awards you earn at 30 and 60 nights are second-class citizens. They can't be upgraded (in fact, they nullify the upgrade for all OTHER nights of your stay) and they expire in six months. Hyatt needs to have just one kind of "free night award". It needs to expire when status expires (i.e. February 2020 for awards earned in 2018), and using the award needs to _not_ nullify other benefits that you have earned.
Frankly there is ZERO reason to justify that because you can apply tsu to award nights now, so there is absolutely NO logic to denying that type of use.
Dec 20, 2018, 7:25 pm
#93
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Um, you even liked the post (66) that started this line of argument, in which the cert is literally stated as a "15k point equivalent".
Dec 20, 2018, 7:37 pm
#94
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If I were to give you a gift card for $100 good at Fred's Farmers Emporium that was good for six months, would you really consider that the equivalent of me giving you $100 in cash?
Dec 20, 2018, 7:39 pm
#95
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If I shopped at Fred’s Farmers Emporium even half as often as I stay at Hyatt, I sure would.
Dec 20, 2018, 7:46 pm
#96
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: LAS ORD
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You had to add a qualifier just to try to have an argument - the "being redeemed" part is precisely the reason for the debate. You're right that this isn't a difficult concept.
Dec 20, 2018, 7:56 pm
#97
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LOL. The reason for the debate is the alleged difficulty for people who allegedly stay at Hyatt at least 30 to 60 nights per year to use a Cat 1-4 certificate within 6 months. Apparently there are more people who make dozens of one-night stays per year at Cat 5+ properties than I would have guessed.
Dec 20, 2018, 8:08 pm
#98
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Dec 20, 2018, 8:10 pm
#99
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Dec 20, 2018, 8:20 pm
#100
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If you're going to defend the statement that a cert is a "15k point equivalent", it's not good enough to justify that statement by arguing that some people, in some cases, are going to be able to use that cert in lieu of 15k points. And if you continuously have to add qualifiers just to attempt to have an argument, it's not a good argument.
Dec 20, 2018, 8:27 pm
#101
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You'd also be hard-pressed to find retailers who will accept $100 in foreign countries, but that's never been the point. I know you like being needlessly bombastic and argumentative, but this is just silly.
If you're going to defend the statement that a cert is a "15k point equivalent", it's not good enough to justify that statement by arguing that some people, in some cases, are going to be able to use that cert in lieu of 15k points. And if you continuously have to add qualifiers just to attempt to have an argument, it's not a good argument.
If you're going to defend the statement that a cert is a "15k point equivalent", it's not good enough to justify that statement by arguing that some people, in some cases, are going to be able to use that cert in lieu of 15k points. And if you continuously have to add qualifiers just to attempt to have an argument, it's not a good argument.
use it at a store in Mexico that gives me a crummy exchange rate or refuses to give me change.
Dec 20, 2018, 8:33 pm
#102
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I think you're confusing even yourself at this point because this is precisely our argument. Of course a $100 bill is a $100 bill in exactly the same way that a cert is a cert. That doesn't mean a cert is equivalent to $100 just because someone, somewhere, can use that cert in lieu of $100. Just in the same way that the same cert is not equivalent to $0 just because someone else, somewhere else, can't extract any value from it.
Dec 20, 2018, 8:43 pm
#103
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Dec 20, 2018, 8:52 pm
#104
Join Date: Jan 2012
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It is a basic economic principle that the value of a commodity is not determined by what it can be used for but rather what it can be sold for on the open market.
It is too bad that Hyatt does not allow these certs to be sold, since there would be a lot of people interested in selling their Cat 1-4 certs to Joe for 15,000 pts.
And as for the Cat 1-7 certs, valuing them at 30,00 pt adds another kink, since I would suspect the majority of them are redeemed at Cat 5 or 6 properties. There are not that many Cat 7 properties out there. I imagine there are no a few members who have never stayed at a Cat 7 property.
It is too bad that Hyatt does not allow these certs to be sold, since there would be a lot of people interested in selling their Cat 1-4 certs to Joe for 15,000 pts.
And as for the Cat 1-7 certs, valuing them at 30,00 pt adds another kink, since I would suspect the majority of them are redeemed at Cat 5 or 6 properties. There are not that many Cat 7 properties out there. I imagine there are no a few members who have never stayed at a Cat 7 property.
