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Apr 13, 19, 3:24 pm
#226
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Hyatt may value them at 2CPP, but the overwhelming verdict among those reaching the milestone is the GC so program members value them below 2CPP.
But Hyatt doesn't really value them at 2CPP because they will also give you 10K points for a FIND experience at the 40 night milestone, so one could also argue that Hyatt values the points at 1CPP. And it has already been pointed out that Hyatt will sell you points at 1.7 CPP during promos.
But Hyatt doesn't really value them at 2CPP because they will also give you 10K points for a FIND experience at the 40 night milestone, so one could also argue that Hyatt values the points at 1CPP. And it has already been pointed out that Hyatt will sell you points at 1.7 CPP during promos.
To me 5,000 points or $100 GC are about the same. So 2 cpps is right there. I'd probably prefer GC since I can always earn more points and some of the cash rates CAN be cheaper than reward nights. I've scored room rate cheaper than $100 at Hyatt Regency Phoenix and Hyatt Place Lake Powell, both costing 12,000 points.
I find FIND stuff is worth $0 to me....
Apr 23, 19, 1:00 am
#227
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Formerly known as attorney28
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Still haven't gotten the 2 upgrade certs at 80,000 points, after having flagged that like a month ago. The initial explanation by the Hyatt representative was that I didn't have the required number of nights. When I sent her the T&C stating that at 80k points you should also get it, I was told she would look into it. That was probably a couple of weeks ago or so. Seems to me like the initial plan was to make it dependent only on nights, and that is what the IT programmed. Now they don't know how to deal with it when someone gets the points first.
Not that it matters too much to me personally right now, as I am not traveling for a couple of months and haven't even used any of the original 4 upgrade certs.
Not that it matters too much to me personally right now, as I am not traveling for a couple of months and haven't even used any of the original 4 upgrade certs.
Apr 23, 19, 4:15 pm
#228
Join Date: Dec 2010
Programs: Hilton Diamond, Marriott Titanium, Radisson Gold, Hyatt Globalist, M life Gold, IHG Spire
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I'd say it is No and No.
To me 5,000 points or $100 GC are about the same. So 2 cpps is right there. I'd probably prefer GC since I can always earn more points and some of the cash rates CAN be cheaper than reward nights. I've scored room rate cheaper than $100 at Hyatt Regency Phoenix and Hyatt Place Lake Powell, both costing 12,000 points.
I find FIND stuff is worth $0 to me....
To me 5,000 points or $100 GC are about the same. So 2 cpps is right there. I'd probably prefer GC since I can always earn more points and some of the cash rates CAN be cheaper than reward nights. I've scored room rate cheaper than $100 at Hyatt Regency Phoenix and Hyatt Place Lake Powell, both costing 12,000 points.
I find FIND stuff is worth $0 to me....
PHX and Lake Powell are only going to be <$100 in the off season. Most of the year, both those hotels are way above $100, but the points stay the same.
Apr 23, 19, 4:33 pm
#229
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I thought about this a while before making my choice, but I figure if the room is <$100, I'll go ahead and pay cash. OTOH It's sure nice to have the points when the hotels are all well above $100. So the points are worth less than 2¢, but there are some outsized point redemptions out there.
PHX and Lake Powell are only going to be <$100 in the off season. Most of the year, both those hotels are way above $100, but the points stay the same.
PHX and Lake Powell are only going to be <$100 in the off season. Most of the year, both those hotels are way above $100, but the points stay the same.
Apr 23, 19, 5:15 pm
#230
Join Date: Dec 2010
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That is something novices overlook when figuring point redemptions: Some people end up points rich or points poor, so the silly valuations people like TPG put on the points are really useless for the rest of us.
Apr 24, 19, 9:29 am
#231
Join Date: Jul 2001
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So by that logic, someone who travels all of the time for business and has a ton of points; earning many more than burning - should value points at 0.1 CPP? No, points have a set value. The fact that one can at times exchange them for more than they're valued at is another story.
Apr 24, 19, 11:58 am
#233
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 9,188
Most things are valued by what you can buy or sell them for: "Fair market value". But points and miles are generally non-transferable (Hyatt points are transferable, but you're not supposed to sell or trade them -- for the sake of this argument let's assume that you play by the rules). So, the only value of the points is the value you get from redeeming them. If you can't redeem them then the points in your account are worthless. The fact that they might have value to someone else is not relevant because you can't sell them.
In practice this means that if you earn points significantly faster than you can burn them, the "extra"points you earn (over and above what you can burn) become worthless. The way to maximize value is to lower your threshold for burning (ie, burn at a lower valuation) so that you burn more and your earn and burn rates more or less match. It's worthwhile to maintain some sort of balance (so you can take advantage of good opportunities that come up, and also because your earn rate might drop in the future due to changing circumstances) but given that redemption rates can be unilaterally changed with little or no notice, I don't see much value in stockpiling more points than you can burn in about a year.
Jun 2, 19, 11:40 pm
#234
Join Date: Aug 2011
Programs: Hyatt Globlist,MarriottPlat,Hilton Gold,Delta Silver,National EE,Avis President Club, Hertz PC
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Never selected my milestone reward
Was looking for email and found a Hyatt milestone reward for 70 nites that I had to choose but expired over a month ago. Can't believe I missed this and was only 1 email.
Called Hyatt they offered one time exception and offered me 10k points
Called Hyatt they offered one time exception and offered me 10k points
Last edited by shaker58; Jun 3, 19 at 11:57 pm
Jul 5, 19, 5:11 pm
#235
formerly a193991
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Zulu Romeo Hotel
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With my last stay I passed 2 milestones. Got the 2 TSU @ 80k base points and now need to decide between 100$ GC, 5k points and FIND experience savings @ the 65k milestone. The latter is of no interest/value to me, so need to decide between the other 2.
there are a couple of posts on the value of GC vs 5K points... but I still don‘t get why someone would pick the GC.
I see it this way: 100$ GC means no WOH points to earn, whereas 5k points means I would have had to spend 1k$ to earn them. In my view picking the 5k points is a no-brainer.
there are a couple of posts on the value of GC vs 5K points... but I still don‘t get why someone would pick the GC.
I see it this way: 100$ GC means no WOH points to earn, whereas 5k points means I would have had to spend 1k$ to earn them. In my view picking the 5k points is a no-brainer.
Hit my 40 nights this week. Got the email today and selected my $100 GC. Got an instant email with the GC link. Heading to Royal Palms in Phoenix this weekend (pts+expiring Cat1-7). Might use the GC to cover incidentals like brunch on Sunday (if it isn't covered as my Globalist breakfast). Otherwise it will get used for incidentals and meals at the Andaz Papgayo this summer.
Jul 5, 19, 5:45 pm
#236
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there are a couple of posts on the value of GC vs 5K points... but I still don‘t get why someone would pick the GC.
I see it this way: 100$ GC means no WOH points to earn, whereas 5k points means I would have had to spend 1k$ to earn them. In my view picking the 5k points is a no-brainer.
I see it this way: 100$ GC means no WOH points to earn, whereas 5k points means I would have had to spend 1k$ to earn them. In my view picking the 5k points is a no-brainer.
Most of the 5,000-point Hyatts I run across are in the $75/night range.
Jul 5, 19, 7:56 pm
#237
Join Date: Feb 2005
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With my last stay I passed 2 milestones. Got the 2 TSU @ 80k base points and now need to decide between 100$ GC, 5k points and FIND experience savings @ the 65k milestone. The latter is of no interest/value to me, so need to decide between the other 2.
there are a couple of posts on the value of GC vs 5K points... but I still don‘t get why someone would pick the GC.
I see it this way: 100$ GC means no WOH points to earn, whereas 5k points means I would have had to spend 1k$ to earn them. In my view picking the 5k points is a no-brainer.
there are a couple of posts on the value of GC vs 5K points... but I still don‘t get why someone would pick the GC.
I see it this way: 100$ GC means no WOH points to earn, whereas 5k points means I would have had to spend 1k$ to earn them. In my view picking the 5k points is a no-brainer.
Jul 6, 19, 2:01 am
#238
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Barcelona, London, on a plane
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Save $100 on a room, use $85 of that to buy back the 5k points. $15 remains in your bank account... You also earn 650 points for spending $100 on a room instead of using points.
Of course there are multiple nuances, but that's the gist of the value proposition for those who can use the GC for a real $100 savings and for those who never max out buying points.
Jul 6, 19, 2:10 am
#239
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Because you can buy 5k points for $85 when the 40% bonus promo rolls around.
Save $100 on a room, use $85 of that to buy back the 5k points. $15 remains in your bank account... You also earn 650 points for spending $100 on a room instead of using points.
Of course there are multiple nuances, but that's the gist of the value proposition for those who can use the GC for a real $100 savings and for those who never max out buying points.
Save $100 on a room, use $85 of that to buy back the 5k points. $15 remains in your bank account... You also earn 650 points for spending $100 on a room instead of using points.
Of course there are multiple nuances, but that's the gist of the value proposition for those who can use the GC for a real $100 savings and for those who never max out buying points.
makes sense, but I never buy points.
so I'm fine with the 5k.
Jul 6, 19, 5:29 pm
#240
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Thousand Oaks, Ca., USA
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It’s hard for me to value the points at more than what hyatt sells them at, max or no.
That is the “buy” price.
what I redeem them for is the “sell price”. There should be a spread between one’s buy price and sell price.
That is the “buy” price.
what I redeem them for is the “sell price”. There should be a spread between one’s buy price and sell price.
