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Old Jun 7, 2018, 4:42 pm
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Originally Posted by gengar
Hyatt is absolutely a small chain - there's no one in the hotel industry, Hyatt employees included, who would dispute that. Even just speaking of its typically-discussed competitors on FT, Hyatt barely has 1/10 the footprint of IHG, Hilton, or Marriott/SPG. Even other chains that are usually referred to as small, like Radisson, have nearly twice the footprint of Hyatt.
No one in the entire hotel industry would dispute that Hyatt is a small chain? Other chains that are usually referred to as small - like Loews, Fairmont, Four Seasons, Mandarin Oriental, Peninsula, Rosewood - would still say Hyatt is a small chain? Those chains surely don't have twice the footprint.

Bottom line is Hyatt may be small to some travelers and plenty big for others. Some travelers need to go to buttf--k nowhere forty times a year - Hyatt won't work for them and they're going to need to be with the largest chains. Other travelers go only to big cities, and they'll easily rack up 80-100 Hyatt nights a year.
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Old Jun 7, 2018, 4:55 pm
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Originally Posted by joe_miami
Hyatt is not, by any measure, a "small chain." Last time I checked, it was the fifth-largest chain in the world.
Hyatt barely cracks the top 15. For international chains, they are definitely considered small.
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Old Jun 7, 2018, 5:05 pm
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Originally Posted by gengar
Hyatt is absolutely a small chain - there's no one in the hotel industry, Hyatt employees included, who would dispute that. Even just speaking of its typically-discussed competitors on FT, Hyatt barely has 1/10 the footprint of IHG, Hilton, or Marriott/SPG. Even other chains that are usually referred to as small, like Radisson, have nearly twice the footprint of Hyatt.

It's also nowhere close to the 5th largest chain in the world.
You seem to be confusing "footprint" with "number of properties."

Does Marriott have seven times the footprint of Hyatt because it has seven properties in Panama City, Panama, to Hyatt's one property? No.
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Old Jun 7, 2018, 5:51 pm
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Originally Posted by jxwo
No one in the entire hotel industry would dispute that Hyatt is a small chain?
Nope.

- signed, someone who has worked for Hyatt

The mere fact that you have to name tiny boutique / luxury-only chains like FS, MO, Rosewood, Pen, etc. just proves my point. Those are specialist luxury brands that no one in the industry (nor anyone seeking an honest discussion) would compare to Hyatt - a brand with over 50% limited service hotels not to mention a luxury sub-brand that isn't even as big as some of the brands you named.

Let me also add that I don't at all understand the defensiveness on this point. Referring to Hyatt as a "small chain" doesn't mean that there aren't smaller chains (or that there aren't literally independent hotel properties) and it certainly doesn't mean Hyatt is a bad chain.

Originally Posted by joe_miami
You seem to be confusing "footprint" with "number of properties."

Does Marriott have seven times the footprint of Hyatt because it has seven properties in Panama City, Panama, to Hyatt's one property? No.
Even after discounting single-country chains and state enterprises, you'd still have to take out regional chains (like Dossen and Tang) and budget-only brands (like Motel 6) just to get Hyatt close to the top 10 - and it nevertheless still barely 1/10 the size of Hilton, Marriott/SPG, IHG, etc. Perhaps you shouldn't be throwing barbs about 'confusion' given the claims you've made in this thread.

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Old Jun 7, 2018, 6:30 pm
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Originally Posted by gengar
Even after discounting single-country chains and state enterprises, you'd still have to take out regional chains (like Dossen and Tang) and budget-only brands (like Motel 6) just to get Hyatt close to the top 10 - and it nevertheless still barely 1/10 the size of Hilton, Marriott/SPG, IHG, etc. Perhaps you shouldn't be throwing barbs about 'confusion' given the claims you've made in this thread.
LOL.

Apparently, any hotel chain not in the top five is "small." That's laughable.

Whataburger is the 75th-biggest restaurant chain. Is that a "small chain"? What about 30th-ranked Panera? "Small chain"?
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Old Jun 7, 2018, 7:05 pm
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Originally Posted by gengar
Nope.

- signed, someone who has worked for Hyatt

The mere fact that you have to name tiny boutique / luxury-only chains like FS, MO, Rosewood, Pen, etc. just proves my point. Those are specialist luxury brands that no one in the industry (nor anyone seeking an honest discussion) would compare to Hyatt - a brand with over 50% limited service hotels not to mention a luxury sub-brand that isn't even as big as some of the brands you named.

Let me also add that I don't at all understand the defensiveness on this point. Referring to Hyatt as a "small chain" doesn't mean that there aren't smaller chains (or that there aren't literally independent hotel properties) and it certainly doesn't mean Hyatt is a bad chain.
Honest discussion: wouldn't you compare Hyatt to all chains when determining which chain is small and large? Did you leave off Loews and Fairmont because they didn't fit your "tiny / luxury boutique" segment? Why wouldn't someone in the hotel industry compare Hyatt to Rosewood, just as they'd compare Hyatt to Marriott, when figuring out which to call a small chain and which to call a large chain?

There's no defensiveness at all, just baffled by your absolute statements on the opinion of every last person in the hotel industry. The housekeeper at the Plaza NY is in the hotel industry. Would s/he think the Hyatt is a "small" chain? A friend is a GM at a PH in Asia, he doesn't think the Hyatt chain is small. Another friend is a GM at a Hilton in Asia, in a city with five Hyatt properties (and "only" five Hilton properties) - he would also dispute your statement that "Hyatt is absolutely a small chain".

My only point is that to some, both in and out of the hotel industry, the Hyatt chain is small, sure. To others, it's not. If you haven't done a formal survey of the entire hotel industry, you can't really speak for them.
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Old Jun 7, 2018, 7:22 pm
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Originally Posted by joe_miami
LOL.

Apparently, any hotel chain not in the top five is "small." That's laughable.
I shouldn't have to remind you that I am not the one who introduced this ranking into this discussion - you did. I've never once suggested that the global ranking of chain determines whether a chain is large or small - you're just being dishonest at this point. What I stated is simply that your claim that Hyatt is in the top 5 is utterly absurd.
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Old Jun 7, 2018, 8:02 pm
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Given that I just recently received another corporate fast-track offer for Globalist until 2020 for 20 nights in 90 days, I'd say Hyatt feels there aren't enough Globs.
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Old Jun 7, 2018, 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by jxwo
There's no defensiveness at all, just baffled by your absolute statements on the opinion of every last person in the hotel industry.
If it's only the flippancy that offends you, then I apologize (I was also responding to an absolute statement I found absurd, hence why I responded strongly). I can only relate my personal experiences having worked with/for Hyatt including at the corporate level, and I simply don't believe there was anyone I ever worked with who would deny that Hyatt is a small chain - if anything, that was something many within the organization think of as a positive, if not were proud of outright. I also think Hyatt's small chain status is something that its loyalists find appealing if it works for them, and I think many posts here on FT also supply evidence for that. I certainly have no interest in arguing about what any given housekeeper at the Plaza New York thinks - if that's really the counterpoint, then we're just wasting time.

As far as comparing Hyatt to various chains, I think I've been very clear in that comparisons should be chains with similar segment makeups and target market - hence, e.g., my suggestion above that leaving single-country, state-run, and/or single-segment (such as budget-only) chains out of the comparison is reasonable. If you're still intent on picking on me about Fairmont and Loews, I left them out because I simply don't know enough about those chains to comment.

Ultimately, I'm still pretty amazed that there is disagreement on this point, again considering that Hyatt has barely 1/10 the properties of the other, similarly-segmented chains typically discussed on FT like Hilton, IHG, Marriott/SPG, etc.
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Old Jun 7, 2018, 10:49 pm
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Fairmont had 10 stay (or was it nts) requirement for top tier.
Most other smaller chains dont even have loyalty program. 60 nts for a chain the size of hyatt is unrealistic imho unless one lives/travels in the limited areas with a lot of hyatts.
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Old Jun 7, 2018, 11:28 pm
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Originally Posted by gengar
I shouldn't have to remind you that I am not the one who introduced this ranking into this discussion - you did. I've never once suggested that the global ranking of chain determines whether a chain is large or small - you're just being dishonest at this point.
I'm being dishonest? LOL. All I did was object to the claim that Hyatt was a "small chain" and you decided to blow a gasket for some reason.

What I stated is simply that your claim that Hyatt is in the top 5 is utterly absurd.
Take it up with Hospitality.net, which certainly believes otherwise, at least in terms of direct competitors and revenue.

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Given that I just recently received another corporate fast-track offer for Globalist until 2020 for 20 nights in 90 days, I'd say Hyatt feels there aren't enough Globs.
Not to restart this debate for the twentieth time here, but 20 nights in 90 days annualizes to 80 nights, and the fast-track Globalists don't get TSUs, etc. Unless people are able to time the challenge perfectly to cover the majority of their year's travel, this cohort is probably rather profitable for Hyatt, and they have no effect on "real" Globalists.

Originally Posted by gengar
Ultimately, I'm still pretty amazed that there is disagreement on this point, again considering that Hyatt has barely 1/10 the properties of the other, similarly-segmented chains typically discussed on FT like Hilton, IHG, Marriott/SPG, etc.
What do you mean, "like Hilton, IHG, Marriott/SPG, etc."? That's basically the entire list of Hyatt's most direct competitors, not only in the U.S. but in the Western hemisphere.
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Old Jun 7, 2018, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by azepine00
Fairmont had 10 stay (or was it nts) requirement for top tier.
Most other smaller chains dont even have loyalty program. 60 nts for a chain the size of hyatt is unrealistic imho unless one lives/travels in the limited areas with a lot of hyatts.
You sort of answered your own question: Hyatt isn't, in fact, a small chain. Fairmont has 75 properties; Hyatt has 777 properties with dozens more on the way.

For the people who claim it's hard to make 60 nights with Hyatt, how many total hotel nights do you log in the average year, and what do you believe would be a fair number for top-level status?

If people are spending 60 nights per year in hotels, I could see how it might be tough to make Globalist at Hyatt, since Hyatt obviously has a smaller footprint than, e.g., Marriott. But for people who spend 75+ nights on non-long-term stays, I have a hard time believing there's no Hyatt at all available for 20% of the nights, unless you're traveling to some out-of-the-way places.
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Old Jun 8, 2018, 12:08 am
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Originally Posted by joe_miami
That's basically the entire list of Hyatt's most direct competitors...
Yeah, that's been the whole point. But you still want to keep arguing about it for some reason.
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Old Jun 8, 2018, 12:18 am
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Originally Posted by gengar
Yeah, that's been the whole point. But you still want to keep arguing about it for some reason.
No, the whole point has been that Hyatt isn't a "small chain" just because it happens to be smaller than its four or five closest competitors.

You're basically insisting that Dunkin' Donuts is a small chain because it has 75% fewer stores than Subway.
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Old Jun 8, 2018, 10:34 am
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Basta,

signed a Globalist curious about the number of other Globalists
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