How many globalists are left? Anyone know?
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Hyatt is absolutely a small chain - there's no one in the hotel industry, Hyatt employees included, who would dispute that. Even just speaking of its typically-discussed competitors on FT, Hyatt barely has 1/10 the footprint of IHG, Hilton, or Marriott/SPG. Even other chains that are usually referred to as small, like Radisson, have nearly twice the footprint of Hyatt.
Bottom line is Hyatt may be small to some travelers and plenty big for others. Some travelers need to go to buttf--k nowhere forty times a year - Hyatt won't work for them and they're going to need to be with the largest chains. Other travelers go only to big cities, and they'll easily rack up 80-100 Hyatt nights a year.
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Hyatt is absolutely a small chain - there's no one in the hotel industry, Hyatt employees included, who would dispute that. Even just speaking of its typically-discussed competitors on FT, Hyatt barely has 1/10 the footprint of IHG, Hilton, or Marriott/SPG. Even other chains that are usually referred to as small, like Radisson, have nearly twice the footprint of Hyatt.
It's also nowhere close to the 5th largest chain in the world.
It's also nowhere close to the 5th largest chain in the world.
Does Marriott have seven times the footprint of Hyatt because it has seven properties in Panama City, Panama, to Hyatt's one property? No.
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- signed, someone who has worked for Hyatt
The mere fact that you have to name tiny boutique / luxury-only chains like FS, MO, Rosewood, Pen, etc. just proves my point. Those are specialist luxury brands that no one in the industry (nor anyone seeking an honest discussion) would compare to Hyatt - a brand with over 50% limited service hotels not to mention a luxury sub-brand that isn't even as big as some of the brands you named.
Let me also add that I don't at all understand the defensiveness on this point. Referring to Hyatt as a "small chain" doesn't mean that there aren't smaller chains (or that there aren't literally independent hotel properties) and it certainly doesn't mean Hyatt is a bad chain.
Even after discounting single-country chains and state enterprises, you'd still have to take out regional chains (like Dossen and Tang) and budget-only brands (like Motel 6) just to get Hyatt close to the top 10 - and it nevertheless still barely 1/10 the size of Hilton, Marriott/SPG, IHG, etc. Perhaps you shouldn't be throwing barbs about 'confusion' given the claims you've made in this thread.
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Even after discounting single-country chains and state enterprises, you'd still have to take out regional chains (like Dossen and Tang) and budget-only brands (like Motel 6) just to get Hyatt close to the top 10 - and it nevertheless still barely 1/10 the size of Hilton, Marriott/SPG, IHG, etc. Perhaps you shouldn't be throwing barbs about 'confusion' given the claims you've made in this thread.
Apparently, any hotel chain not in the top five is "small." That's laughable.
Whataburger is the 75th-biggest restaurant chain. Is that a "small chain"? What about 30th-ranked Panera? "Small chain"?
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Nope.
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The mere fact that you have to name tiny boutique / luxury-only chains like FS, MO, Rosewood, Pen, etc. just proves my point. Those are specialist luxury brands that no one in the industry (nor anyone seeking an honest discussion) would compare to Hyatt - a brand with over 50% limited service hotels not to mention a luxury sub-brand that isn't even as big as some of the brands you named.
Let me also add that I don't at all understand the defensiveness on this point. Referring to Hyatt as a "small chain" doesn't mean that there aren't smaller chains (or that there aren't literally independent hotel properties) and it certainly doesn't mean Hyatt is a bad chain.
- signed, someone who has worked for Hyatt
The mere fact that you have to name tiny boutique / luxury-only chains like FS, MO, Rosewood, Pen, etc. just proves my point. Those are specialist luxury brands that no one in the industry (nor anyone seeking an honest discussion) would compare to Hyatt - a brand with over 50% limited service hotels not to mention a luxury sub-brand that isn't even as big as some of the brands you named.
Let me also add that I don't at all understand the defensiveness on this point. Referring to Hyatt as a "small chain" doesn't mean that there aren't smaller chains (or that there aren't literally independent hotel properties) and it certainly doesn't mean Hyatt is a bad chain.
There's no defensiveness at all, just baffled by your absolute statements on the opinion of every last person in the hotel industry. The housekeeper at the Plaza NY is in the hotel industry. Would s/he think the Hyatt is a "small" chain? A friend is a GM at a PH in Asia, he doesn't think the Hyatt chain is small. Another friend is a GM at a Hilton in Asia, in a city with five Hyatt properties (and "only" five Hilton properties) - he would also dispute your statement that "Hyatt is absolutely a small chain".
My only point is that to some, both in and out of the hotel industry, the Hyatt chain is small, sure. To others, it's not. If you haven't done a formal survey of the entire hotel industry, you can't really speak for them.
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I shouldn't have to remind you that I am not the one who introduced this ranking into this discussion - you did. I've never once suggested that the global ranking of chain determines whether a chain is large or small - you're just being dishonest at this point. What I stated is simply that your claim that Hyatt is in the top 5 is utterly absurd.
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Given that I just recently received another corporate fast-track offer for Globalist until 2020 for 20 nights in 90 days, I'd say Hyatt feels there aren't enough Globs.
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As far as comparing Hyatt to various chains, I think I've been very clear in that comparisons should be chains with similar segment makeups and target market - hence, e.g., my suggestion above that leaving single-country, state-run, and/or single-segment (such as budget-only) chains out of the comparison is reasonable. If you're still intent on picking on me about Fairmont and Loews, I left them out because I simply don't know enough about those chains to comment.
Ultimately, I'm still pretty amazed that there is disagreement on this point, again considering that Hyatt has barely 1/10 the properties of the other, similarly-segmented chains typically discussed on FT like Hilton, IHG, Marriott/SPG, etc.
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Fairmont had 10 stay (or was it nts) requirement for top tier.
Most other smaller chains dont even have loyalty program. 60 nts for a chain the size of hyatt is unrealistic imho unless one lives/travels in the limited areas with a lot of hyatts.
Most other smaller chains dont even have loyalty program. 60 nts for a chain the size of hyatt is unrealistic imho unless one lives/travels in the limited areas with a lot of hyatts.
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What I stated is simply that your claim that Hyatt is in the top 5 is utterly absurd.
What do you mean, "like Hilton, IHG, Marriott/SPG, etc."? That's basically the entire list of Hyatt's most direct competitors, not only in the U.S. but in the Western hemisphere.
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For the people who claim it's hard to make 60 nights with Hyatt, how many total hotel nights do you log in the average year, and what do you believe would be a fair number for top-level status?
If people are spending 60 nights per year in hotels, I could see how it might be tough to make Globalist at Hyatt, since Hyatt obviously has a smaller footprint than, e.g., Marriott. But for people who spend 75+ nights on non-long-term stays, I have a hard time believing there's no Hyatt at all available for 20% of the nights, unless you're traveling to some out-of-the-way places.
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You're basically insisting that Dunkin' Donuts is a small chain because it has 75% fewer stores than Subway.