Nov 6, 2016, 5:33 am
World of Hyatt [Pre-Launch]
Oct 30, 2016, 12:59 pm
#511
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It certainly seems like other hotels are going to capitalize on this. I hope to see some status matches next week.
Oct 30, 2016, 1:20 pm
#512
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Geez here we go another status match. I stand by my statement let's see at the six month mark into 2017 and how many stay the course and work to qualification for 2018. Thats the real answer '
Oct 30, 2016, 2:15 pm
#513
Join Date: Aug 2006
Programs: Hyatt Diamond, SPG LT Plat, AA 3MM EXP
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EXTREMELY salient points; I agree with them all! I'm an early 40s Diamond dude with almost 1MM lifetime points (400 base) at Hyatt. I'm a bit embarrassed with all of this. To think I convinced my in-laws to get the credit card...how am I going to explain this crap???
This makes me want to barf.
Whenever companies want to devalue they restructure so much of the program to pull the wool over their customer's eyes. Air Canada did this when moving from certs, changed so many things thinking it would obfuscate the devaluations.
Gold Passport won at Freddies how many times? Many.
OK LETS GO FIX THE THING THAT AIN'T BROKE
Always works out well.
But the icing on the cake is the ridiculous tier naming. Surely they had a focus group. A focus group of pure morons.
Globalist? I mean really? In a world that is TRYING TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST GLOBALISM ... now I'm a GLOBALIST?
Thanks guys. Thanks.
If you had an F1 race car driver you'd change his status to "racist" too without even thinking about it.
This needs a serious rethink and fix FAST. Who designs these things? Is it the interns? I don't know. I think so. That's how it gets filled with all this aspirational BS.
If someone stays 60 nights in a hotel they don't want this handwaving BS crap. They want a clean room, an upgrade, they want no nonsense, help if there is an emergency and otherwise to just have nothing go wrong. That's it. No aspirational crap needs to be shoveled on top of it.
Way to put a bullet in the best program out there guys.
Lastly: Aeroplan tried to do this a while back with Aeroplan Distinction. Their geniuses came up with dSilver dBlack and dDiamond as the new tier names. Of course it made them sound like stuttering nincompoops.
And we called the program names Di-stink-shun. Those stupid tier names lasted two years and now they are back to Silver, Black, Diamond (still stupid because none of them follow a clear theme).
I am a Hyatt Globalist Member. What does that mean. I don't know except it means I want corporations to run rampant over the globe destroying everything and overriding local laws while stashing all their profits in safe havens and demanding tax advantages to locate businesses that employ minimum wage.
I knew what it was to be a Hyatt Diamond Member with Gold Passport.
Really guys. Put the brakes on. You could have emailed a survey to your Diamond members and we would have told you WHEN YOU WERE BEING IDIOTS. And saved you from this embarrassment.
We know.
We are the other half of your system. You make the product, we consume it. In many cases we know it much, much better than you.
Whenever companies want to devalue they restructure so much of the program to pull the wool over their customer's eyes. Air Canada did this when moving from certs, changed so many things thinking it would obfuscate the devaluations.
Gold Passport won at Freddies how many times? Many.
OK LETS GO FIX THE THING THAT AIN'T BROKE
Always works out well.
But the icing on the cake is the ridiculous tier naming. Surely they had a focus group. A focus group of pure morons.
Globalist? I mean really? In a world that is TRYING TO FIGHT BACK AGAINST GLOBALISM ... now I'm a GLOBALIST?
Thanks guys. Thanks.
If you had an F1 race car driver you'd change his status to "racist" too without even thinking about it.
This needs a serious rethink and fix FAST. Who designs these things? Is it the interns? I don't know. I think so. That's how it gets filled with all this aspirational BS.
If someone stays 60 nights in a hotel they don't want this handwaving BS crap. They want a clean room, an upgrade, they want no nonsense, help if there is an emergency and otherwise to just have nothing go wrong. That's it. No aspirational crap needs to be shoveled on top of it.
Way to put a bullet in the best program out there guys.
Lastly: Aeroplan tried to do this a while back with Aeroplan Distinction. Their geniuses came up with dSilver dBlack and dDiamond as the new tier names. Of course it made them sound like stuttering nincompoops.
And we called the program names Di-stink-shun. Those stupid tier names lasted two years and now they are back to Silver, Black, Diamond (still stupid because none of them follow a clear theme).
I am a Hyatt Globalist Member. What does that mean. I don't know except it means I want corporations to run rampant over the globe destroying everything and overriding local laws while stashing all their profits in safe havens and demanding tax advantages to locate businesses that employ minimum wage.
I knew what it was to be a Hyatt Diamond Member with Gold Passport.
Really guys. Put the brakes on. You could have emailed a survey to your Diamond members and we would have told you WHEN YOU WERE BEING IDIOTS. And saved you from this embarrassment.
We know.
We are the other half of your system. You make the product, we consume it. In many cases we know it much, much better than you.
Oct 30, 2016, 2:54 pm
#514
Join Date: Jun 2009
Programs: A3 Gold, AA Platinum, Marriott & Discovery Platinum, IGH Diamond
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Well, that's Hyatt out of picture here.
60 nights ? With Hyatt's limted footprint? 25 was a challenge - unless you travel in rural US all the time & stay at HP's @ 50$/night. Guess this is the customer Hyatt wants to keep.
And the tier names - accountants trying to be cool, eh ? Any person with little education and self-respect would be ashamed to say "I'm a Globalist" (or any other tier)
I will remain with SPG until it dies in 2018. Then it's HHonors for cheap/mid hotels and Amex FHR/Virtuoso for better ones. HHonors changes too ? No problem, will use cheap third-party sites for the cheap/mid hotels.Saved money fully offsets limited benefts one gets there.
Hotels are trying to follow airlines and ruin the FF programs. When airlines did this - I (and all my friends) started to simply buy C/F tickets based on best price and quality. Result - I didn't bought an AA premium ticket in last 2 years, while before I was doing this all the time.
Good luck, Hyatt. Somehow I'm sure "managers" that invented this will get out with good bonuses before s-h-i-t hits the fan...
Regards,
El Puerco Volante
60 nights ? With Hyatt's limted footprint? 25 was a challenge - unless you travel in rural US all the time & stay at HP's @ 50$/night. Guess this is the customer Hyatt wants to keep.
And the tier names - accountants trying to be cool, eh ? Any person with little education and self-respect would be ashamed to say "I'm a Globalist" (or any other tier)
I will remain with SPG until it dies in 2018. Then it's HHonors for cheap/mid hotels and Amex FHR/Virtuoso for better ones. HHonors changes too ? No problem, will use cheap third-party sites for the cheap/mid hotels.Saved money fully offsets limited benefts one gets there.
Hotels are trying to follow airlines and ruin the FF programs. When airlines did this - I (and all my friends) started to simply buy C/F tickets based on best price and quality. Result - I didn't bought an AA premium ticket in last 2 years, while before I was doing this all the time.
Good luck, Hyatt. Somehow I'm sure "managers" that invented this will get out with good bonuses before s-h-i-t hits the fan...
Regards,
El Puerco Volante
Oct 30, 2016, 3:15 pm
#515
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I keep seeing it and it's finally sinking in: Amex FHR and Virtuoso will make more and more sense here for those of us who care about breakfast.
Ironically, at the high-end properties where this matters, we'll all still be getting roughly the same room and breakfast for the same price as under the old system, but Hyatt will have to pay a commission to FHR and Virtuoso.
Hyatt loses in that scenario, plus I won't bother with Hyatt Place/House as much. So they lose there too.
Until they pull the good hotels from FHR and Virtuoso . . .
Ironically, at the high-end properties where this matters, we'll all still be getting roughly the same room and breakfast for the same price as under the old system, but Hyatt will have to pay a commission to FHR and Virtuoso.
Hyatt loses in that scenario, plus I won't bother with Hyatt Place/House as much. So they lose there too.
Until they pull the good hotels from FHR and Virtuoso . . .
Oct 30, 2016, 3:27 pm
#516
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,363
I am probably going to shift my stays over to virtuoso, never used it before can someone enlighten me on how to use it? I am an 80+ nighter but I like to spread my stays around given the limited footprint. Hyatt just lost my business.
Oct 30, 2016, 4:20 pm
#517
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Oct 30, 2016, 4:24 pm
#518
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From her blog, Summer mentions this came from Hyatt people while she is in Chicago (see comment at October 28, 2016 at 5:24 pm). Also the World of Hyatt program actually launches Mar 1, not Jan 1 per their website,
Oct 30, 2016, 4:27 pm
#519
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Yes, if you are qualifying for Globalist, you would need to have 60+ for the full 12 month period. I did not argue anything to the contrary. The point was the 2 month period where GP still exists.
Oct 30, 2016, 4:35 pm
#520
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,814
Briefly thought about doing that -- but I think i'd rather just buy a suite + breakfast included and call it a day. 25 stays in two months is not worth the time + effort (and probably the money spent depending on where you live or work).
Oct 30, 2016, 4:51 pm
#521
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Oct 30, 2016, 4:57 pm
#522
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 13
You are correct. I actually talked to a Hyatt FB Customer service rep, here is her reply (see below).
Therefore, for those who are already qualified for 2018, just do the mattress run before 2017 March.
i am just wondering if after the re-qual for diamond and if I continue to stay 5 more nights, will that get me the explorist status till 2020?
Last edited by yfchen0520; Oct 30, 2016 at 5:03 pm Reason: adding another question.
Oct 30, 2016, 5:05 pm
#524
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: NY
Programs: AA EXP / 2MM, Hyatt Glob, Hilton Diamond
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Oct 30, 2016, 5:16 pm
#525
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Location: Sacramento, CA
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One thing I don't understand is if by having already qualified for Diamond in 2017 earlier this year, will I still get four DSU's to use in 2017. Anyone know?