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Old Jan 19, 17, 4:34 am
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Originally Posted by Markie View Post
My guess there will only be change if Starwood/Marriott make their scheme more flyer-friendly. If they keep the model that Hyatt has chosen, or make Platinum much harder in their new scheme, then why would Hyatt change?
That's how I see it too.

My bet is that Hyatt's not going to change its program devaluation approach because of Starwood/Marriott. Marriott hasn't missed the Hyatt signal on this, but Marriott has a lot more beds to fill and really doesn't seem to have Hyatt as being a primary concern for it -- rather they seem to want to make things work for SPG Platinums, even those at the 25 stay level.

Unlike Marriott, Hyatt seems wedded to the idea that 50-60 night and 60+/75+ night customers are not all that difficult/costly for it to replace or even dismiss as a priority. My bet is that Marriott knows that making things worse for 50+ night and 75+ night customers just incentivizes its customers to shop around more than they otherwise would. That is to say this: Marriott expects its most valued customers to behave in rational ways. Hyatt, on the other hand, seems to think that moneyed fools are a dime a dozen in the market for its lodging services and that irrational customers are out there in huge numbers and easily picked/retained by Hyatt; in other words, Hyatt is sort of saying its most valued customers are the most irrational ones. Trying to live off picking pockets of irrational, moneyed customers may work when you're in the business of selling something that is a passing fad or a scam, but it's hard to make a sustainable mass market business of that. Hyatt trying to act as if with these changes it's in this market to be but a luxury market goods provider is amusing -- especially when the program change/devaluation is designed so as to work mostly for those doing lots of relatively cheaper stays at Hyatt limited service properties.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 4:41 am
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Originally Posted by shorthauldad View Post
How much value do road-warrior types feel is attached to additional DSUs above the initial 4, though? I got the feeling many didn't spend all their DSUs as it stands.

Are these people who have loads of vacation time?
Hyatt Globalist should be renamed as Americanist, given how WOH changes the demographic profile of the Hyatt program top tier elites.

Except for say those working in education, only a very small minority of other working Americans get and take more than 2 or 3 weeeks of paid vacation as an employment benefit in the course of a year with the same employer.

And of people who are away from home for 50+ nights a year, perhaps going far away from home on vacation isn't all that much of a vacation.

I've not been able or wiling to use all my DSUs for my own stays.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 4:58 am
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As one of the Diamonds who qualified on stays, I have to say this really makes me sad.

I loved my 7 years as Diamond, but it was hard enough already. There is a total of 5 Hyatts in Germany; none in Munich, Frankfurt, Brussels, Madrid, Rome... There wasn't a single Hyatt in Miami Beach until recently. This also meant that 90% of my DSUs went unused. I could never find a Hyatt when I actually needed a larger room.

But the service was good. Having the amenity in addition to the breakfast was nice. This is now gone.

Breakfast on award stays was also nice. But 60 nights is just not possible for me. Explorist gets breakfast 4 times per year, and I am sorry, but that's not good enough to keep me going out of my way to stay at a Hyatt. Hilton gives you that on every stay with just a credit card. And they have a hotel on every corner.

So, sadly, this might be it for me. I am not sure what's next. Maybe SPG Platinum. Or maybe I should forget about loyalty altogether.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 6:56 am
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Explorist gets breakfast 4 times per year, and I am sorry, but that's not good enough to keep me going out of my way to stay at a Hyatt.
Even worse than that since the property where you are staying has to have a club... so useless at a lot of properties.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 7:59 am
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Originally Posted by OsakaWino View Post
There's also the option of 10,000 points in place of the additional DSUs.
The Globs would be crazy not to take the points, since they'll be upgraded to suites on all their stays anyway.

By the way, I was being sarcastic.

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Old Jan 19, 17, 8:25 am
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There is solid data showing that Hyatt's ADR is significantly higher than the competition. So it seems folks are paying more to stay at Hyatt (even HP/HH). Whether that will change with the transition to World of Hyatt remains to be seen. Hyatt seems to think it won't, while several folks on this thread appear to have a different view. I guess we will know more next year.

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You seem to be really hung up on this high-end thing..... forgetting that the reality is that 50% is HP/HH, then lots of very average HR's. If you are pushing it you could maybe qualify 10-15% of the room inventory as something approaching high-end.

Perception and reality are quite different....
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Old Jan 19, 17, 9:14 am
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Even worse than that since the property where you are staying has to have a club... so useless at a lot of properties.
Good call! Thanks.

That is pretty bad. Is it worth it to push work travel toward Hyatt in the hopes that my vacation property will have a club lounge? Plus the fact that the spread in the lounge is usually worse than the restaurant.

I don't know. Might be better off taking the chances with Hilton or even Intercontinental Ambassador. I've had the breakfast there thrown in a bunch of times.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by Markie View Post
My guess there will only be change if Starwood/Marriott make their scheme more flyer-friendly. If they keep the model that Hyatt has chosen, or make Platinum much harder in their new scheme, then why would Hyatt change?
This.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by sensei View Post
There is solid data showing that Hyatt's ADR is significantly higher than the competition. So it seems folks are paying more to stay at Hyatt (even HP/HH). Whether that will change with the transition to World of Hyatt remains to be seen. Hyatt seems to think it won't, while several folks on this thread appear to have a different view. I guess we will know more next year.
I'm one of those who pays for hotels on his own dime and find the above to appear accurate. All things being equal, I'd pay a little more to stay at Hyatt properties over their peer group. Assuming there isn't some price increase, I see little reason to alter my annual visits to the PH NY, regardless of whether or not I achieve top tier status.

I'm awfully curious to see how their metrics unfold as they implement these changes.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 9:56 am
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I don't know. Might be better off taking the chances with Hilton or even Intercontinental Ambassador. I've had the breakfast there thrown in a bunch of times.
From some chatter over in the IHG area, it seems like the criteria for Royal Ambassador (the only non-hackable IHG status, and the only part of the program geared toward status benefits rather than basic award nights) is 10K in spend at IC properties and somewhere around 60 paid nights. If you can work with the somewhat limited IC footprint, and hey, if you're talking higher end Hyatts, you're probably okay with limited footprints, it's a program a lot of people seem happy with.

The down side is that for the rest of the program, the alleged enhanced benefits for Spire/RA that have been coming Real Soon Now since 2015 still haven't arrived despite some apparent pilot programs at the Crown Plaza and Holiday Inn level last year.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 10:01 am
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I don't know. Might be better off taking the chances with Hilton or even Intercontinental Ambassador. I've had the breakfast there thrown in a bunch of times.
Mere Golds get free breakfast at most Marriotts and Hiltons. This is why Explorist is such a complete fail.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 10:02 am
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Originally Posted by beachmouse View Post
From some chatter over in the IHG area, it seems like the criteria for Royal Ambassador (the only non-hackable IHG status, and the only part of the program geared toward status benefits rather than basic award nights) is 10K in spend at IC properties and somewhere around 60 paid nights.
Right, now that SPG Plat will be merged with MAR Plat, why earn top tier the hard way? I mean, just app for the Chase Ritz (run $75K in business taxes or MS, whatever), earn 2 free nights, $300 ($600 if you app midyear and double up before cancellation) in travel credits, and earn Plat status that way?

The cost is the 2% you could have otherwise earned on $75K spend, which is $1,500. So, the cost of acquisition and annual fee are more than made up by the benefits.

So, why would any spend his/her own money to earn status? No reason, whatsoever.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 10:24 am
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Originally Posted by beachmouse View Post
From some chatter over in the IHG area, it seems like the criteria for Royal Ambassador (the only non-hackable IHG status, and the only part of the program geared toward status benefits rather than basic award nights) is 10K in spend at IC properties and somewhere around 60 paid nights. If you can work with the somewhat limited IC footprint, and hey, if you're talking higher end Hyatts, you're probably okay with limited footprints, it's a program a lot of people seem happy with.

The down side is that for the rest of the program, the alleged enhanced benefits for Spire/RA that have been coming Real Soon Now since 2015 still haven't arrived despite some apparent pilot programs at the Crown Plaza and Holiday Inn level last year.
Well, RA is a different animal altogether. I was just saying that even with the regular Ambassador, I've had good luck getting breakfast for free, even though it's not a published benefit.

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Mere Golds get free breakfast at most Marriotts and Hiltons. This is why Explorist is such a complete fail.
Yeah, top tier is out of reach, middle tier is pointless. I am looking for a way to stay, but can't justify it.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee View Post
Mere Golds get free breakfast at most Marriotts and Hiltons. This is why Explorist is such a complete fail.
Actually its to encourage Explorist tier to skip breakfast so they have more time to Explore. See WoH makes a lot more sense when you understand the logic behind it.
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Old Jan 19, 17, 10:59 am
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Originally Posted by WAS View Post
Yeah, top tier is out of reach, middle tier is pointless. I am looking for a way to stay, but can't justify it.
I think that's what I'm coming to also. Will the Hyatt CC provide Explorist? I'm currently guessing I'll have about 27 nights this year. I could push that up to 30 without too much trouble, but not sure it's even worth bothering.
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