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Old Dec 6, 16, 1:53 am
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Originally Posted by PortlySpartacus View Post
WoH wants you as their customer of the future! You spend more money with Hyatt because you spend more nights with Hyatt than the 25 'stays' crowd. Yes, you are their target audience for the new program. All these other folks abandoning Hyatt to chase the other shiny objects of loyalty because they will cling to the 'best' deal of the day will be in the same position in a year or so when SPG-Marriott does the same.

And that is the point of these WoH changes. They were not satisfied with the 25 stay crowd, even if spending their own money, to reach top tier status and receive the same benefits as you. You spend considerable more money due to the number of nights annually and all the savants on this thread that apparently know better than the entire Hyatt management staff just have to suck it up from here on out and take their business elsewhere.

Let us all look back on this thread, in 12-24 months and see the latest rage of the loyalty program at that time. Why not just date this thread 2 years from now and change Hyatt to SPG-Marriott and read the outrage from the disgruntled loyalists? I can't believe SPG-Marriott would abandon their 25 stay top tier elite program, what could they possibly be thinking, and with a recession looming, oh the humanity.......
And maybe if Marriott gets worse, Hyatt will devalue yet again. Or maybe not. Neither of us knows what will happen in 2 years. But we do know what happened a month ago.
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Old Dec 6, 16, 2:08 am
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Originally Posted by OsakaWino View Post
They should just go with base points qualification only, and disqualify any amount not paid for directly by the guest.

Plus tax all US residents on all points and benefits as non-earned income.
How about those P+C rates then or Corporate rates? I don't really mind setting a reasonable spend, but I also believe those less expensive stays can be profitable for GP as well, especially because the benefits for those tend to be very limited. But nights is a fairly common thing, also think about the promotions.

It's just that I find 55/60 nights year after year to be unreasonable and any less doesn't do it for me.
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Old Dec 6, 16, 3:19 am
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Originally Posted by RTW1 View Post
How about those P+C rates then or Corporate rates? I don't really mind setting a reasonable spend, but I also believe those less expensive stays can be profitable for GP as well, especially because the benefits for those tend to be very limited. But nights is a fairly common thing, also think about the promotions.

It's just that I find 55/60 nights year after year to be unreasonable and any less doesn't do it for me.
Well Marriott has had 75 nights for ages and no issue there. Of course their footprint is much larger. SPG was similar to Hyatt before the merger and their footprint like Hyatt smaller. So there is a sense of portion there, or at least one can make that argument.

Having said all that it's Hyatt's sandbox we just choose to play in it or move on to another one. If it wasn't for my travel slowing down as I begin to sell my company I would stay, but it's just not worth the "stress" of getting those nights.
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Old Dec 6, 16, 3:44 am
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Originally Posted by edgewood49 View Post
Well Marriott has had 75 nights for ages and no issue there
As has been said plenty of times... if your travel in the US to places where Hyatt is present it wont be much of a difference. For the rest of us it is...
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Old Dec 6, 16, 5:20 am
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But! and I know it's silly, but I will bitterly miss the lack of "diamond amenity". The logical part of me understands that 1000 points or a bottle of wine is nothing really, but the emotional part of me wants to have that choice. It made me feel warm and welcome. I know it's silly yet here we are...
You're touching on my concerns here. I have a hard time imaging hotels truly honoring the best room upgrade at check in and don't see top tier treatment improving regardless of fewer numbers. Time will tell, but I'm skeptical.
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Old Dec 6, 16, 6:27 am
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The World of Hyatt is an improvement for exactly two groups of people:

1. The Semi-Mega Road Warrior. The person who was going to be hitting 60-70+ nights a year at Hyatt hotels anyway, but for whatever reason wasn't getting a Courtesy Card. These people will get marginally better benefits, with the biggest benefit of all coming from decreased competition from March 2018 onwards.

2. The Lapsed Diamond. The person who wasn't going to retain Diamond Status next year anyway and was going to fall back to Platinum, or even Gold, now gets a bigger point multiplier and four Explorist club room upgrades that they wouldn't otherwise be getting. Furthermore, I would guess that the bulk of these people are made up of people that status matched to Diamond last year, so they're really getting to milk this benefit cow for every last drop. And who knows, maybe Hyatt will end up doing another status match again next year to drum up business!

From that, we know who's business Hyatt really values: the extremely loyal and the extremely fickle.
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Old Dec 6, 16, 7:00 am
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Originally Posted by edgewood49 View Post
Well Marriott has had 75 nights for ages and no issue there. Of course their footprint is much larger. SPG was similar to Hyatt before the merger and their footprint like Hyatt smaller. So there is a sense of portion there, or at least one can make that argument.

Having said all that it's Hyatt's sandbox we just choose to play in it or move on to another one. If it wasn't for my travel slowing down as I begin to sell my company I would stay, but it's just not worth the "stress" of getting those nights.
Marriott Platinum status costs some I know as little as $375-540 (USD), without having to book even 11 actual room night stays in Marriott hotels. Marriott Gold is really easy to get and it comes with breakfast and/or lounge access.

WOH pushed me to embrace Marriott.
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Old Dec 6, 16, 8:44 am
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Originally Posted by in4tar View Post
Having read and re-read all this, it seems to me that the majority is upset about new "nights vs stays" requirements in the new "World of Hyatt".
I know I might be in the minority here, but it's hard for me to understand how could people qualify for Diamond (or - grrrr...Globalist) on stays alone.
I have 85 nights so far but only 19 stays. It seems that the number of nights is easier to attain than the number of stays (unless you are getting your status by one-night stays in one cheap hotel after another), so I really don't get why people are so upset about it. If anything - the demise of "Diamond amenity" seems much more disappointing. Well, that and the new silly names...
Or am I missing something?

Yes, you're missing it.

First, there are many very loyal Diamonds that travel a lot, like 2-3 cities in a week. It's very easy for one of these to be not-cheap (HR and GH with some HP/HH thrown in) and have a stay:night ratio much closer to 1:1 than what you are understanding. So, it's not just about MR-Diamonds.

Second, there are those that just won't make 55-60 nights, but year are also not-cheap or MR Diamonds... and in the new WoH they would become the new Plat level, which in WoH is basically worthless.

Last, a follow up post quoting you claimed in the new WoH that benefits are roughly the same for those that are mega-travelers and easily hit 60+ nights. That is false. The various one free night awards have short expiration. Suite or best room upgrades are now optional for properties (read the new ToC, although it remains to be seen how far properties take it). But the biggest issue (IMO) is the loss of W1. Consider even a mega-traveler doing 70 nights might have 30-35 stays, that 30-35k points not earned each year, that's like 1.5 free night(s) at a Cat 7 (with no short expiration) - that is a big loss. Other new benefits like free parking and waiver of resort fees is close to worthless for most, the former because so many inner-city properties outsource parking and the fees can't be placed on the room charges (so fees can't be waived by the benefit), the latter because many/some would only do a resort visit using points and points stays already have resort fee waiver under HGP (so WoH isn't a new benefit, in that common scenario).

To summarize (and generalize, understanding the definition of "generalize"), the "lower level" Diamonds that would be put into the new Plat category have no incentive (under the loyalty program) to stay with Hyatt, and the "high level" Diamonds have a higher bar to obtain basically the same benefits less the loss of W1 which isn't offset by any new 120 day valid single night award(s).
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Old Dec 6, 16, 9:14 am
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Originally Posted by RTW1 View Post
As has been said plenty of times... if your travel in the US to places where Hyatt is present it wont be much of a difference. For the rest of us it is...
Actually - Achieving 75 Marriott nights compared to even 25 Hyatt nights for a US resident is an apples to oranges comparison.

For starters - Marriott CC holders get a night stay for every $3,000 they spend. Even under HP, the max Hyatt CC nights was 5 and you had to spend $40,000 for that...) With a Marriott CC you would get 13 nights credit for the same CC spend.

Next - Marriott timeshare stays count as night stays. Understand that an Interval exchange fee costs only $179 and even bonus weeks / getaways are often under $300. Each one of these stays qualifies you for 7 Marriott nights without forfeiting a single MR point! Hyatt offers no cheap way like this to earn night stays - nothing remotely comparable. Put in perspective, a category 1 C+P one night stay costs $50 plus tax and 2,500. 7 nights would run you $350 plus tax along with 17,500 Hyatt points.

Next, with Marriott, you can get credit for multiple night stays if you reserve multiple rooms - even for the timeshares. That's a huge difference. If you book two units at a MVC twice a year through Interval for family trips, that's 28 night right there and you only had to check in twice for them.

Marriott gives you stay credit on pure points reservations, right? Hyatt doesn't even give you a stay credit if you pay OOP to upgrade a points reservation.

Lastly - I understand (though I've never tried it) you can earn 10 MR nights just for reserving a 2 person meeting for a couple dollars?

The point here is that it's MUCH easier to qualify for Marriott status regardless of the number of night requirement technically being higher.
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Old Dec 6, 16, 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by Twinmommy19 View Post
Actually - Achieving 75 Marriott nights compared to even 25 Hyatt nights for a US resident is an apples to oranges comparison.

For starters - Marriott CC holders get a night stay for every $3,000 they spend. Even under HP, the max Hyatt CC nights was 5 and you had to spend $40,000 for that...) With a Marriott CC you would get 13 nights credit for the same CC spend.

Next - Marriott timeshare stays count as night stays. Understand that an Interval exchange fee costs only $179 and even bonus weeks / getaways are often under $300. Each one of these stays qualifies you for 7 Marriott nights without forfeiting a single MR point! Hyatt offers no cheap way like this to earn night stays - nothing remotely comparable. Put in perspective, a category 1 C+P one night stay costs $50 plus tax and 2,500. 7 nights would run you $350 plus tax along with 17,500 Hyatt points.

Next, with Marriott, you can get credit for multiple night stays if you reserve multiple rooms - even for the timeshares. That's a huge difference. If you book two units at a MVC twice a year through Interval for family trips, that's 28 night right there and you only had to check in twice for them.

Marriott gives you stay credit on pure points reservations, right? Hyatt doesn't even give you a stay credit if you pay OOP to upgrade a points reservation.

Lastly - I understand (though I've never tried it) you can earn 10 MR nights just for reserving a 2 person meeting for a couple dollars?

The point here is that it's MUCH easier to qualify for Marriott status regardless of the number of night requirement technically being higher.
wow things people will do for a free lunch
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Old Dec 6, 16, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by Twinmommy19 View Post
Actually - Achieving 75 Marriott nights compared to even 25 Hyatt nights for a US resident is an apples to oranges comparison.

For starters - Marriott CC holders get a night stay for every $3,000 they spend. Even under HP, the max Hyatt CC nights was 5 and you had to spend $40,000 for that...) With a Marriott CC you would get 13 nights credit for the same CC spend.
Even better - you get 15 nights every year just for having the card:

"15 credits toward your next Elite membership level after account approval and every year after account anniversary*"

https://creditcards.chase.com/a1/mar...67K4&SPID=FHHJ
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Old Dec 6, 16, 11:00 am
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Had a coupe of average-bad stays at HP in northern Jersey... where there is no HR/GH. HP cost $80 more than the Sheraton Mawah which is significantly better than every way possible. Requalifed for diamond on company-paid stays (average ~300/night) but can't see myself staying in HP for more than a few nights a year, may just have to switch to SPG for good.
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Old Dec 6, 16, 11:03 am
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Originally Posted by edgewood49 View Post
wow things people will do for a free lunch
Free lunch? Actually with HGP (and WoH), it's free breakfast. And, at Andaz Maui, where breakfast is over $50 per person (after tax and tip), for my family of three on last month's 10 night stay, that's over $1,500 (and that's just breakfast, that ignores the fact that one earns points so that I didn't pay a dime for my room).

So, yes, wow, the things people will do to save $1,500 (or $6,000 on top of that for the room).
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Old Dec 6, 16, 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by canyonleo View Post
Actually with HGP (and WoH), it's free breakfast. And, at Andaz Maui, where breakfast is over $50 per person (after tax and tip), for my family of three on last month's 10 night stay, that's over $1,500 (and that's just breakfast, that ignores the fact that one earns points so that I didn't pay a dime for my room).

So, yes, wow, the things people will do to save $1,500 (or $6,000 on top of that for the room).
Well not technically relevant, since the reference was to Marriott Plat, and Marriott wouldn't give you (or your family) free breakfast at a resort

A good example as well why it's likely pressure from certain properties that has pushed Hyatt to tighten the rules. You can bet they have a pretty good idea what the Diamond freebies mean in terms of lost revenue opportunities and that number can be really substantial.
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Old Dec 6, 16, 12:17 pm
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When World of Hyatt was rolled out a little more than a month ago, it left a bad taste in my mouth coupled with what I consider to be a year where we have seen Hyatt basically as a rudderless ship with lots of different issues. As a result I switched several stays to Hilton (where I have been Diamond for much longer and Gold for many years prior) and now that there is less than a month to the end of the year, I am faced with the decision of whether to bother with a few extra stays to requalify as Diamond (well for the three months before the name changes to something silly). My inclination after all of this is no, as much as I like the occasional 4 PM check-out. While I appreciate the soft product edge that Hyatt has at its Full Service properties (but lacks at its Hyatt House & Hyatt Place), overall I much prefer the Hilton hard product and footprint. Also the

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