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Old Dec 2, 16, 2:26 pm
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Originally Posted by The smallest state View Post
I'm thinking they are the ones who demanded the change in the first place. All those suites and extra charges going to guests for free must have been a big detractor. So now the solution that Hyatt has rolled out might be akin to treating a broken ankle with amputation. They've killed the mid-level executive traveler who used to show up 15-35 times a year.
Help me understand what you mean here. Suite upgrades are not a HH or HP guaranteed benefit. The only reason that I have ever stayed in either is it was the most convenient Hyatt (definitely not the most convenient hotel).
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Old Dec 2, 16, 2:58 pm
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Two "worlds of Hyatt"

I have been traveling this past two weeks through Europe and into the Mid East and have spoken with a number of staff of various Hyatt staff at the RC level and they are all confused as well about the new "system" None expressed privately happiness over it.

On another note as to staying Hyatt or changing "flags " There is differently TWO Hyatt hotels. One is the US version we for the most part are use to and there's the international version of Hyatt where you get real professional service and when you have status it means something. But then you don't see too much whining at the check in counter for upgrades. The staffs and RC clubs are truly grand and real service not just the dried whatever for breakfast and snacks or whatever they can get away with.

Frankly if the US version was better I would stay the course and devote those 55/60 nights but frankly as a Lifetime Marriott I am treated better.

Just a thought from two weeks "Hyatting" around the world
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Old Dec 2, 16, 3:17 pm
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Originally Posted by duhe View Post
The only reason that I have ever stayed in either is it was the most convenient Hyatt (definitely not the most convenient hotel).
99% of my HH/HP stays have been driven exclusively by HGP Diamond membership/qualification in cities where there was no full service Hyatt option. So with those incentives gone, I'm not going to be seeing the inside of many (any?) HH/HP going forward.
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Old Dec 2, 16, 5:23 pm
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Anyone know the new requirements for courtesy card with WOH if available?
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Old Dec 2, 16, 5:35 pm
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367 nights a year for CC.
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Old Dec 2, 16, 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by antonius66 View Post
367 nights a year for CC.
Not going there
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Old Dec 3, 16, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by craz View Post
Id say as good as DL,AA,UA,VX , JB ditching a rev based RDM program and going back to miles flown = RDMs = its not gonna happen, if anything Hyatt will end up ahead by all of the frugals and 25 Stayers leaving

Now if we end up with a Global economy like it was back in '08 then anything can happen,but barring an economy going down the drain Hyatt will end up gaining by doing what it is and we will be the losers
How do you figure Hyatt will end up ahead?

Hyatt sets the price for hotel rooms, not the customer. And in order to get HGP credit, you pretty much HAVE to book through non-discount channels. I don't even go anywhere else than Hyatt.com to book a room.

What you're suggesting is that hotels price their rooms below cost in their non-discount channels.

I fail to see how Hyatt is losing money on so many customers.

With dynamic pricing, hotels will get less revenue with lower occupancy rates. And chasing away customers will result in lower occupancy rates.

You've put forth a questionable premise without bothering to fill it in with logical details on how they lose money with more customers.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 7:18 am
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Originally Posted by iflyjetz View Post
How do you figure Hyatt will end up ahead?

Hyatt sets the price for hotel rooms, not the customer. And in order to get HGP credit, you pretty much HAVE to book through non-discount channels. I don't even go anywhere else than Hyatt.com to book a room.

What you're suggesting is that hotels price their rooms below cost in their non-discount channels.

I fail to see how Hyatt is losing money on so many customers.

With dynamic pricing, hotels will get less revenue with lower occupancy rates. And chasing away customers will result in lower occupancy rates.

You've put forth a questionable premise without bothering to fill it in with logical details on how they lose money with more customers.

Other than the corporate owned properties Hyatt makes it "vig" off the franchise fees. The owners of the properties make theirs off the occupancy ( along with F&B, depending on the ownership and how many properties they control dictates their pricing policy. It is a basic "load factor " scale. If one looks at properties you can see this in play by checking their rates throughout a certain period of time. Airlines did this for a long time.

Rates are increasing "on thank you "equality capitol" especially in the higher demand cities around the world. I just got back from Paris and Dubai, whoaaa
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Old Dec 4, 16, 11:09 am
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So, who's leaving, who's staying, who was leaving but now staying?
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Old Dec 4, 16, 11:54 am
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K View Post
So, who's leaving, who's staying, who was leaving but now staying?
I'm making one more big push to gather points for a last hurrah at the GH Kauai over Thanksgiving...will stay with Hyatt up until March when the program changes. As someone who stays at a lot of cheap Hyatts and HP's, losing the diamond amenity is the final straw. I'll burn all my points and enjoy Thanksgiving, but starting in March, I'm moving all my business to Marriott/SPG with Hilton as my secondary.

Broke the news to my family this morning and thought my 10 year old was going to cry...he LOVES the GH Kauai, so I told him he better enjoy it this year!
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Old Dec 4, 16, 12:37 pm
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Originally Posted by bsdstone View Post
Broke the news to my family this morning and thought my 10 year old was going to cry...he LOVES the GH Kauai, so I told him he better enjoy it this year!
You'll have to give him a tour of several Marriott/SPG properties on the island. There are a bunch of them. I'm sure that you'll find a suitable substitute.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 12:59 pm
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Originally Posted by edgewood49 View Post
Other than the corporate owned properties Hyatt makes it "vig" off the franchise fees. The owners of the properties make theirs off the occupancy ( along with F&B, depending on the ownership and how many properties they control dictates their pricing policy. It is a basic "load factor " scale. If one looks at properties you can see this in play by checking their rates throughout a certain period of time. Airlines did this for a long time.

Rates are increasing "on thank you "equality capitol" especially in the higher demand cities around the world. I just got back from Paris and Dubai, whoaaa
You're correct; my response was quickly written after reading the old, 'Hyatt's probably losing money on some Diamonds' garbage. Neither Hyatt corporate nor the franchisees are losing money on those of us who meet the Diamond minimums. The benefits that are provided to Diamonds are not that expensive - the largest cost for Diamond benefits are the Club/Diamond breakfast. And the Diamond breakfast in the restaurant is not a large cost to the hotel - providing a staffed Club with food/refreshments is almost certainly more expensive.

Hotels have been using yield management very similar to airlines for a very long time.

Equality Capital: I did a search and came up empty. I haven't noticed hotel prices rising all that much overall, but it seems like hotels are charging larger premiums during peak occupancy.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by iflyjetz View Post
You're correct; my response was quickly written after reading the old, 'Hyatt's probably losing money on some Diamonds' garbage. Neither Hyatt corporate nor the franchisees are losing money on those of us who meet the Diamond minimums. The benefits that are provided to Diamonds are not that expensive - the largest cost for Diamond benefits are the Club/Diamond breakfast. And the Diamond breakfast in the restaurant is not a large cost to the hotel - providing a staffed Club with food/refreshments is almost certainly more expensive.

Hotels have been using yield management very similar to airlines for a very long time.

Equality Capital: I did a search and came up empty. I haven't noticed hotel prices rising all that much overall, but it seems like hotels are charging larger premiums during peak occupancy.
Follow up on the Equity Capitol and it's affect on hotel prices, disclaimer I am in the construction industry ( usual place for ex AF drivers !) and a portion of our annual gross is related to the hospitality industry. Primarily reflagging but now with the huge upswing in new hotels we are doing new construction. The capital ownership groups are squeezing everything they can out of the properties, amenities are going away, maintenance is being deferred especially on the exteriors, when doing room refreshes they are cheaply done, trust me I know. Exteriors are horrible in many cases and getting worse.

When they have bled them they sell. Witness the Hyatt Honolulu. GS bought from a Japanese businessman, out went the limo, Colony Grill etc. NO exterior maintenance for over 10 years. They sold to Blackstone who did a cheap room refresh. The exterior began to really come apart they started repairs then sold it. Now there is a incoming Korean group and everyone at the hotel are holding their breath that the hotel will be restored to it's once great place to stay.

Equity Capital is having a huge effect on many of the service industries today.

I just got back from flying three different foreign flags, business, economy and FC. Even the coach had better cabin service than many US carriers FC. I flew Iceland air, AF and EK. the later two I fly frequently. I do not fly US metal internationally why would one?
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Old Dec 4, 16, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K View Post
So, who's leaving, who's staying, who was leaving but now staying?
Leaving.

I don't expect WoH and whatever follows to be as good as HGP. They have transformed themselves into a program no more exciting than Marriott and Hilton but with a smaller footprint and harder qualifications.

I'll replace Hyatt in my rotation with Fairmont starting in 2017 until they get rolled into Accor. After that, I'll reevaluate, although I doubt Hyatt will be competitive.
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Old Dec 4, 16, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K View Post
So, who's leaving, who's staying, who was leaving but now staying?
2016: 10 stays, 36 nights with Hyatt

2017: Explorist; will try to make use of my club upgrades and burn my points

As for revenue stays, I will have Gold status on Marriott, Hilton, and SPG (all via Amex Plat and RewardsPlus), and don't expect to make a run for higher level status with any of them. My revenue stays will thus be driven by promos, hotel rates and location convenience. Might give Hyatt some nights... or none.
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