The Dreaded and Despised Resort Fee
Aug 5, 2019, 1:02 pm
#61
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Rail against it? Don't go. Don't travel. Don't eat out. The solution is simple... IF others agree with you they'll do the same and the market will fix things.
Aug 5, 2019, 2:53 pm
#62
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Forgive me for not knowing the latest on this. Do Vegas MLife properties charge resort fees on point stays? These are not disclosed during the booking process as they are for points+cash and cash stays, which I understand are not waived for Globalists.
Aug 5, 2019, 3:02 pm
#63
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It's politics and rhetoric. They could easily just change the price of a $30 plate to $32 and accomplish the same thing. But then they wouldn't have their little hissy vent.
Aug 5, 2019, 4:39 pm
#64
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- Rarely visit Las Vegas anymore. Partly because I've aged out of the current target demographic, but more so due to high room prices (including resort fees), unfavorable rule changes (e.g. 6:5 blackjack, high table minimums for craps, etc.).
- Rarely dine in San Francisco anymore. We have plenty of good restaurants in the suburbs, so no need to waste time and extra $$ to dine in SF.
- Tip 20% at true full service restaurants, and 0% at fast food, coffee shops, etc. I do not feel sorry for most of these workers, they are making far more now (in real inflation-adjusted $$) than I did when I worked such jobs.
Personally I think we will see resort fees go bye-bye as the legal fees begin to mount...
Aug 5, 2019, 4:41 pm
#65
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And despite the objections of some who don't see the difference between surcharges and resort fees it still comes down to the same thing in my perception deceptive pricing
Oh did you want a fork knife and a plate with your meal? There is a mandatory F&B privilege fee but it includes a complimentary napkin,salt & pepper
and unlimited condiments & free 800 calls during your meal
Where does it end?
Aug 5, 2019, 9:19 pm
#66
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This is more or less what I meant, plus encouraging others to do the same. Depending on where in the area I lived, I might drive out of town if I wanted a nice dinner out. But since I don’t live there, I’ll vote with my wallet by not traveling there.
Aug 7, 2019, 12:32 pm
#67
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Point well taken although Hyatt has made this right for their best customers
However I am finally losing interest in traveling as much as I use to do especially with Marriott.
One would think with the likes of AirBNB and others there wouldn't be any or few resort destination fees but instead we have resort fee creep
Found this post interesting from the Iconic outspoken in a good way blogger Gary Leff
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea...e-camels-back/
However I am finally losing interest in traveling as much as I use to do especially with Marriott.
One would think with the likes of AirBNB and others there wouldn't be any or few resort destination fees but instead we have resort fee creep
Found this post interesting from the Iconic outspoken in a good way blogger Gary Leff
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea...e-camels-back/
The link doesn't work, so I'm hoping that it will when I quote it.
Aug 7, 2019, 3:23 pm
#68
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My question got lost in the shuffle here:
Do Vegas MLife properties charge resort fees on point stays? These are not disclosed during the booking process as they are for points+cash and cash stays, which I understand are not waived for Globalists.
Do Vegas MLife properties charge resort fees on point stays? These are not disclosed during the booking process as they are for points+cash and cash stays, which I understand are not waived for Globalists.
Aug 7, 2019, 3:50 pm
#69
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2) They *ARE* disclosed.
Looking at Bellagio: A daily resort fee of $44.22 plus applicable tax will be applied to all reservations ... <here's the list of useless stuff we throw in to pretend we can justify the cost>
Aug 7, 2019, 6:27 pm
#71
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Aug 8, 2019, 6:06 am
#72
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The one area where I find resort fees completely indefensible is opaque hotel bookings (Hotwire, Priceline NYOP, etc.). Making a reservation, and then finding out at the very end of the process that the price you were quoted wasn't REALLY the price is annoying. Offering to pay $X for a hotel room, having that offer accepted, and then being told "oh, it's going to be $25/30/whatever more, plus you can't cancel" is just outrageous. Priceline and Hotwire should either incorporate the resort fee, or stop including hotels that charge one in their opaque portfolios.
Aug 8, 2019, 8:08 am
#73
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1) Yes, they charge resort fees for everyone on every type of reservation for every Hyatt and MLife status. Not even their top tier gambling members (Noir) get resort fees waived. And that's because they've jacked up their resort fee so that their room rates look cheap. NYNY and Excalibur charges more for their resort fee than their room rate most days.
2) They *ARE* disclosed.
Looking at Bellagio: A daily resort fee of $44.22 plus applicable tax will be applied to all reservations ... <here's the list of useless stuff we throw in to pretend we can justify the cost>
2) They *ARE* disclosed.
Looking at Bellagio: A daily resort fee of $44.22 plus applicable tax will be applied to all reservations ... <here's the list of useless stuff we throw in to pretend we can justify the cost>
Aug 8, 2019, 2:49 pm
#74
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On the very slightly positive side it is shown in the payment details which paying cash or C+P.
Total Per Room* $287.98 USD
Wed, Oct 16 $209.00 USD
Subtotal $209.00 USD
city hotel tax $27.96 USD
resort fees $51.02 USD
Taxes & Fees $78.98 USD
So it is there for cash bookings/C+P, but you are completely correct that they do not show the resort fee on points ONLY bookings.
I have a feeling that if you took screenshots and made a stink about it you could probably get a concierge to refund the fee in "good will courtesy" given that the booking doesn't mention it anywhere and it could be assumed that it would be waived for Globalist point bookings.
Aug 8, 2019, 7:39 pm
#75
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1) Yes, they charge resort fees for everyone on every type of reservation for every Hyatt and MLife status. Not even their top tier gambling members (Noir) get resort fees waived. And that's because they've jacked up their resort fee so that their room rates look cheap. NYNY and Excalibur charges more for their resort fee than their room rate most days.
2) They *ARE* disclosed.
Looking at Bellagio: A daily resort fee of $44.22 plus applicable tax will be applied to all reservations ... <here's the list of useless stuff we throw in to pretend we can justify the cost>
2) They *ARE* disclosed.
Looking at Bellagio: A daily resort fee of $44.22 plus applicable tax will be applied to all reservations ... <here's the list of useless stuff we throw in to pretend we can justify the cost>
