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NoStressHere Dec 25, 2015 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by milemission (Post 25916150)
The cash portion of the P+C is US$100. When I booked in Aug, the rate was
3,195.00 Taiwan Dollars. Now that the US dollar gets stronger, the website shown 3700 Taiwan Dollars when I log in and check my reservation.

I sure hope I will pay the email confirmation rate.

Thank you!

Most of the small print I have seen about currency says something like " we will show you a different currency, but will actually bill you in the local/hotel currency".

As to the above scenario... if the reservation was for 3,195 TW$, it should still be that, right? Unless it billed you in US$.

OsakaWino Dec 25, 2015 6:16 pm


Originally Posted by milemission (Post 25916150)
The cash portion of the P+C is US$100. When I booked in Aug, the rate was
3,195.00 Taiwan Dollars. Now that the US dollar gets stronger, the website shown 3700 Taiwan Dollars when I log in and check my reservation.

I sure hope I will pay the email confirmation rate.

Thank you!

The P&C rate at GH Taipei is still 3,195 TWD. The 3,700 TWD you're seeing is the total of 3,195 plus 10% service + 5% tax. Email confirmations show rates exclusive of T&S, MY RESERVATIONS on Hyatt.com shows the total rate inclusive of T&S.

NoStressHere Dec 25, 2015 9:11 pm


Originally Posted by OsakaWino (Post 25916342)
The P&C rate at GH Taipei is still 3,195 TWD. The 3,700 TWD you're seeing is the total of 3,195 plus 10% service + 5% tax. Email confirmations show rates exclusive of T&S, MY RESERVATIONS on Hyatt.com shows the total rate inclusive of T&S.

Thank you so much for the clarification.

Folks often want to slam the "company" for playing games, and often they do not have the facts.

The poster in this case was not slamming or complaining, but just pointing out what seems to happen so often.

dsquared37 Dec 27, 2015 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by stargold (Post 25911585)
The booking screen (when "Hotel currency" is selected) as well as the confirmation email should have the exact amount that should be charged. If it is denoted in USD on the email, I would expect it to be converted on the day. However, where it confirms a price in local currency, I would expect that to be honoured.

E.g. PH SYD - AUD 333 is more like USD 240, but nevertheless that was what was listed on my email, and that's what they charged at check-out.

Yesterday, when checking in, the staff gave me a price that was ~$30USD (with tax) more than it should have been. She went on to say the current exchange rate blah blah and I simply showed her the confirmation email with the rate (pre AND post tax).

That Hyatt confirms an outdated rate in some cases is not my problem and, more accurately, is used to my advantage.


Originally Posted by milemission (Post 25916150)
The cash portion of the P+C is US$100. When I booked in Aug, the rate was
3,195.00 Taiwan Dollars. Now that the US dollar gets stronger, the website shown 3700 Taiwan Dollars when I log in and check my reservation.

I sure hope I will pay the email confirmation rate.

Thank you!

We had a reservation also at 3195 Taiwan dollars and it held even though the exchange at checkout was closer to 37 per.

OsakaWino Dec 27, 2015 8:11 pm


Originally Posted by dsquared37 (Post 25923180)
Yesterday, when checking in, the staff gave me a price that was ~$30USD (with tax) more than it should have been. She went on to say the current exchange rate blah blah and I simply showed her the confirmation email with the rate (pre AND post tax).

Which hotel was this at? It would be good to know which properties are doing this. I've so fare had no problem at 7 different properties.



Originally Posted by dsquared37 (Post 25923180)
We had a reservation also at 3195 Taiwan dollars and it held even though the exchange at checkout was closer to 37 per.

As I posted above, milemission was comparing the 3185 TWD rate excluding T&S on the confirmation email with the 3700 TWD total rate including T&S on the My Reservations page on Hyatt.com, so he really does not have a problem.

dsquared37 Dec 27, 2015 10:35 pm


Originally Posted by OsakaWino (Post 25923389)
Which hotel was this at? It would be good to know which properties are doing this. I've so fare had no problem at 7 different properties.

Bangkok. I've had many stays here, more than a handful on P&C, and never had this happen before. Barring another instance I'd chalk it up to a random error.

Edit: The rate initially shown doesn't equate to any potential P&C rate unless the hotel is using 41 baht/USD. ;)



Originally Posted by OsakaWino (Post 25923389)
As I posted above, milemission was comparing the 3185 TWD rate excluding T&S on the confirmation email with the 3700 TWD total rate including T&S on the My Reservations page on Hyatt.com, so he really does not have a problem.

My most recent reservation confirmation email (the one for the above stay) shows both pre and ++ costs. I find this invaluable.

chuck1 Jan 10, 2016 10:00 pm

Should one pay 6,000 points plus $89 incl tax and service or $187 incl tax and service at Hyatt Regency Mexico?

Trying to determine if 6,000 points is worth the $100 or so savings.

Kacee Jan 10, 2016 10:31 pm


Originally Posted by chuck1 (Post 25997380)
Should one pay 6,000 points plus $89 incl tax and service or $187 incl tax and service at Hyatt Regency Mexico?

Trying to determine if 6,000 points is worth the $100 or so savings.

Borderline. 1.67 cents/point. That's very close to Point Guy's valuation at 1.7 per.

I prefer to keep redemptions over 2 cents, but it really depends on which matters more to you - the points or the cash.

chuck1 Jan 11, 2016 12:17 am

Ok - does that mean for example - during my next start at this hotel their cheapest rate is AAA at $288 and no P&C available.

Their points rate is 12,000/night.

This means your value your points at .02 so this night is worth $240 to you so their rate is $288 so it's not a bad deal to use points?

The Points Guy uses .017 so his value rate for this night is $204 so again a good deal to use points?

Kacee Jan 11, 2016 12:27 am


Originally Posted by chuck1 (Post 25997685)
Ok - does that mean for example - during my next start at this hotel their cheapest rate is AAA at $288 and no P&C available.

Their points rate is 12,000/night.

This means your value your points at .02 so this night is worth $240 to you so their rate is $288 so it's not a bad deal to use points?

The Points Guy uses .017 so his value rate for this night is $204 so again a good deal to use points?

That valuation is just a rough measuring stick, but yes that's the basic thought process.

If you want to be really precise about it, you would also count the points foregone on the award booking. On a $288 stay, that's 1872 points (for Diamond).

Because I qualify for Diamond based on stays, I would also take into account that a C&P booking counts as a stay while a straight award booking does not. Also, you can use a DSU on a C&P booking, but not on an award. For these reasons, I'm somewhat less likely to book just on points.

cw082350 Jan 11, 2016 8:28 am

Are there points and cash rate exceptions? A category 4 property I am looking at is showing 7500 +$60. Checked several other category 4's and they are showing 7500+ $100 as it should be. So it is not general programming error by IT :)

lkar Jan 12, 2016 9:42 am


Originally Posted by 3rdworldresident (Post 25647952)
Im currently at the park hyatt vienna.

i viewed my bill on the tv.

for the 1st night i booked with P+C rate.

on the tv screen it shown 2 charges, HGP Points 82 Euro and Accomodation 127 Euro.

the accommodation charge was supposed to be the cash portion because it stated that in the confirmation mail.

will the 'HGP Points' charge of 82 Euro be removed at check-out?

I'm curious how this worked out. I'm seeing something similar online. I have a points booking at PH Vienna and not too long ago on line it started showing a nightly rate. I called the diamond line, and the guy told me that I shouldn't be seeing that and he started to explain it but then kind of stopped and told me just not to worry about it. From the first few seconds of his explanation, I got the sense that what he was saying is that I was seeing the hotel's reimbursement rate for the points reservation. I wonder if this is something peculiar to the PH Vienna. I find it kind of interesting, but all I really care about is that it doesn't cause me trouble upon checking out, so I'm curious whatever happened to you.

cdancer20 Jan 13, 2016 2:04 pm


Originally Posted by cw082350 (Post 25999197)
Are there points and cash rate exceptions? A category 4 property I am looking at is showing 7500 +$60. Checked several other category 4's and they are showing 7500+ $100 as it should be. So it is not general programming error by IT :)

Definitely seems like you are seeing a programming issue. Directly from Hyatt.com's list of Points + Cash, cat 4 is 7500 + $100.

coterie Jan 13, 2016 10:24 pm

Resort Fee
 
As diamond, would one still pay the resort fee or is this another case of YMMV?

RTW1 Jan 14, 2016 2:06 am

Nearly all properties that charge a resort fee do that for Diamonds as well..... ony way to avoidit is with an all points stay.


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