Hyatt Brands
 

Sorry if this info is available, but I searched and couldn't find anything that answered it clearly for me. I just got a status match to Hyatt from IHG and am trying to figure out the "ranking" of Hyatt properties. I am looking for something that would clearly be analagous to IHG where the top is Intercontinentals, then Crowne Plazas, then Holiday Inns, etc. I am kind of confused with the Park Hyatt, Regency, Place, etc.

Hyatt Place, Sommerfield Suites, Regency Hyatt, AndAz, Grand Hyatt, Park Hyatt.

Excellent so, Park Hyatt is the top from what I understand and Hyatt place is the most basic. Looking to make some use of my Diamond status while I have it if I can't earn enough to keep it. Still waiting to see what IHG does with Point Breaks.

IMO:
hyatt place = the rebraned HIX
hyatt summerfield = Staybridge
hyatt regency = better HIs
Andaz = high end indigo
grand hyatt = better CPs and some low end ICs
park hyatt = ICs

there are some bad apples in the IC properties, but Hyatts are generally more consistent

Please.... :rolleyes:

First of all, one has to differ between Hyatt International and Hyatt US properties:

Hyatt US

Hyatt Place = ( Suites at a new and very modern Holiday Inn Express )
Hyatt Summerfield = Staybridge ( Summerfield's tend to have more spacious suites and less studio suites )

After the two extended stay brands, it becomes difficult. The vast majority of Crowne Plaza's , Hyatt Regency's and Interconti's are rated AAA 3 Diamond. The newer IC's are able to compete with Grand Hyatt properties in the US, Park Hyatt is in a league where IHG has nothing to offer. Andaz is far more upscale than Indigo ( construction cost per room and guest/employee ratios ) Hyatt Resorts are far more upscale than Crowne Plaza resorts, although at least CP Resort Hilton Head has a 4 Diamond rating by the AAA

Hyatt International:

Holiday Inn Express ( 3*) = not offered by Hyatt
Holiday Inn / Crowne Plaza ( 3*, mostly 4* ) = not offered by Hyatt
Interconti ( 5* ) = Hyatt Regency ( construction cost per room and guest/employee relation is higher for most Hyatt Regency's )
High end Interconti (5*) = high end Hyatt Regency / Grand Hyatt
not offered by IHG = high end Grand Hyatt ( properties like Tokyo, Shanghai, some are rated Top 100 )
not offered by IHG = Park Hyatt ( some are rated Top 50 on the planet )

obviously you think very highly of the hyatt brands, but just like any brand there are good properties and there are bad ones.

in the US: crowne plaza time square, and the two in Chicago for example are certainly better than most Grand Hyatts. As for ICs, have you been to the IC san francisco, and the one in Washington and other big cities are definitely very comparable to Park Hyatts. I agree Andaz is better than Indigo, that's why i added "high end".

international: I don't know where you're getting your "ranks" but there are certainly a few IC ranked in the top 50, the IC HongKong, Toyko, and the IC Amsterdam to name a few, and some CPs outside of the US are quite swanky. As for resort properties, i don't know if you've heard of IC Bali, and the IC bora bora?

The thing about the IC brands, is that there are some really bad apples in each brand, and they really bring the overall image down, but the top end properties are quite comparable to Hyatt's

I beg to differ, some of the ICs in asia are better than GH in same city

Hongkong IC is far superior to Grand Hyatt HK
Shenzhen IC is also very good, I'll be at Grand Hyatt SZ this weekend to try it out, I'll be very pleased if it can match the IC

From my limited experience with Hyatt:
Grand Hyatt = Great CP, low-end IC
Park Hyatt = a bit better than ICs
Hyatt Regency (where I stayed most, even before I joined GP) = CP. It is def not up to an IC.

There are some bad apples in each of the chains. For PC this is true for probably everything but IC - I can't think of a really bad one.
Hyatt Regency Mainz - I'd take a new HI over that any time....
Grand Hyatt Hong Kong - absolutely no comparision to the IC HKG
Park Hyatt Hamburg - excellent property, IC Hamburg is probably a "bad apple" and as low-end as it gets

etc. etc. etc.

Overall, this thread might lead to some very emotional discussions... :p

:rolleyes:

Did you stay at a Hyatt before ? And which Crowne Plaza is swanky ?

It is a rotten brand without a heart & soul that was so dead, that even the recent efforts to reanimate it will probably not result in anything that is worthwhile, especially if you use old Holiday Inn infrastructure...the ones outside the US are okay, but Hyatt does not play in the 4* league outside the US, they just operate 5 and 5* + properties ( ranking in France used to be different ! )

Again, let us compare hard facts, employee vs guest/room relations and construction cost per room aside from official rankings ( provided by national ranking organisation and/or the AAA in the US ) and not emotions...

IC is definitely a competitor for Hyatt outside the US quality-wise, as pointed out already and indeed, some newer hotels can compete on a high level ( IC Kowloon is a good example ) The Amstel is showing its age around the corners, but is a true 5* property, however nothing more, if you take an emotional comment from my side.

International Park Hyatt locations are certainly in another league.

PC used to be my back up program for the last 10+ years and they achieved a lot in the last 5 years. As you have mentioned before, they opened some nice properties both in the US and abroad ( DUS, CGN, SFO, MIA, DXB ) and indeed are able to compete on a high level with more properties now, but did not intend yet to really go to a league where only some of best hotels on the planet compete and where Park Hyatt's shine...

For Asia - Lijiang, Hong Kong (en par GH), Shenzhen, Sanya, Chongqing (as by the looks)...

Problem is that Hyatt doesn't have a lot of hotels outside the US.

As predicted, an emotional discussion.... :p

Agree. Also consider IC Strings equivalent to PH Tokyo. But across Asia the standards are very different from those in NAmerica. Most Asian GHs would match NAmerican PHs and ICs. Of course, major issue beyond service levels is that ICs are much older properties while PHs are cutting edge new.

It is not about emotions at all, just comparing basic facts...

Your comment about the Regency Mainz is, unfortunately, one perfect example.

Very nice location, several restaurants + bars, Regency Club with Rhine views, fully renovated spa as of March 2010, spacious rooms with high quality furniture ( original Bauhaus chairs, paintings etc., rain showers )certainly resulting in a 5* rating, so far above every Holiday Inn on the planet...

Is it newy renovated? Stayed Sept 2009 last time (no GP member back then). Broken furniture, and old TV that barely worked, lounge access not worth it. We subsequently moved to Frankfurt and rather took taxis to our customers in Mainz.
Good to know! Thanks, will give it another try in May.

Most HIs in China have rainshowers btw :D

no need to get upset, as you can see from my profile, i'm a hyatt stayer as well because i do think they have some fantastic properties, and i'm not saying PC brands are better than hyatt brands, i just don't think hyatt is "in a different league" you keep on talking about these official rankings and employee - guest ratios, can i ask where you're getting these infos, I can't really find it on the AAA website. My sources for a given city is usually trip advisor, and i have to say, there are alot of cities were the PC properties out rank the hyatt counter part, and if they were "in a different league" I would think that wouldn't be the case.

Nope. General agreement in the luxury hotel forum is that the luxury hotels in Tokyo are RC, MO, FS Maronouchi, Peninsula, PH, and probably Shangri-La. One modest cut below is the Conrad and GH. Then Strings, Westin, and maybe IC. The sole Crowne Plaza (in beautiful downtown Ikebukuro) isn't even on the list.

Luxury hotels in Tokyo right now are probably the second best bargain in the world, after Bangkok.