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WildAndy Dec 9, 2023 7:42 am

I am in a similar situation as kamchatsky,
Was planning to go back to HK at the end of 2019, but covid started. So now planning to go back to HK and mainland China to visit mother in-laws.

My HK ID was issued in 2007 and the home return permit has now expired, at the moment, my HK ID card is still valid as I have checked, just need to renew it.

Upon searching HK Immigration FAQ once you arrive in HK, you need to renew your HK ID card within 30 days. So need to pre-book this.
While waiting for my HK ID card renewal, I would like to travel to China. The question is can I renew my Home Return Permit to mainland China with the old HK ID card and can I prebook this online and where?

PaulC852 Dec 9, 2023 11:19 pm

Home Return Permits are managed by China Travel Service (CTS). The process can only be navigated in Chinese.

Start here: https://www.ctshk.com/mep/zh/

WildAndy Dec 10, 2023 5:03 am

Thanks PaulC852,

I believe I found this on gov.hk / residents / immigration / traveldoc (cannot post hyperlink, need 5 posts).

It is called HK Re-entry Permit,
"Some Hong Kong residents require Re-entry Permits for travel to the Mainland of China and Macao Special Administrative Region."

PaulC852 Dec 10, 2023 5:13 am

You're confusing two things:

HK Re-entry Permit is a HK-issued document enabling you to re-enter HK after travelling to the mainland. It is only useful for a very small group of people. From https://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/service/...ry_Permit.html :

People Who Do Not Need an HKSAR Re-entry PermitUnder the Easy Travel Scheme, holders of Hong Kong identity cards bearing "***", "*" or "R" symbol or locally issued Hong Kong permanent identity cards, who are aged 11 or above, can travel from Hong Kong to the Mainland and Macao SAR and vice versa without producing a HKSAR Re-entry Permit or other travel documents at any Hong Kong immigration control point. They are also not required to fill in any arrival card or departure card.
What is commonly (though not entirely accurately) called a "Home Return Permit" (more accurately a "Mainland Travel Permit") is a document issued by Mainland China (not HK) enabling you to enter the Mainland. HK and the Mainland are two separate "countries" as far as Immigration is concerned. You need to deal, in Chinese, with CTS, which is the sole agent of the Mainland authorities for issuing these documents, as noted previously.

WildAndy Dec 10, 2023 5:52 am

You are right PaulC852, it's the other way round.

Another question, is it possible to apply and get the permit on the same day, express?
I know that at the end of the year and near the Chinese New Year, it will be a long queue.

PaulC852 Dec 10, 2023 6:11 am

All I can do is use Google Translate on the site I linked, and I can't immediately find an answer, but I would be extremely surprised if a same day service were available. I note that Kamchatsky is making a second trip weeks later to collect theirs when almost any imaginable "expedite fee" would be cheaper than a second trip.

WildAndy Dec 10, 2023 10:18 am

I tried to book it on ctshk .com, the furthest I can go is about 1 month. will have to wait about 1 or 2 weeks to book it.

I will update my progress as soon as I can.

kamchatsky Dec 10, 2023 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by WildAndy (Post 35810525)
You are right PaulC852, it's the other way round.

Another question, is it possible to apply and get the permit on the same day, express?
I know that at the end of the year and near the Chinese New Year, it will be a long queue.

No. Expedited Delivery is 5 business days. Normal Delivery is 12 Business Days. Note Business Days means Monday - Friday excluding Public Holidays.

香港居民申領《港澳居民來往內地通行證》(回鄉證) 須知 | 香港中旅證件服務有限公司 (ctshk.com)

So it really depends on how long you are planning to stay at HK before going to China. If you do that, book an appointment on the day you landed HK, or next day. I made appointment the next day morning after I landed, to take into account any possible flight delays.

kamchatsky Dec 10, 2023 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by PaulC852 (Post 35810556)
All I can do is use Google Translate on the site I linked, and I can't immediately find an answer, but I would be extremely surprised if a same day service were available. I note that Kamchatsky is making a second trip weeks later to collect theirs when almost any imaginable "expedite fee" would be cheaper than a second trip.

Expedited Delivery Fee is $670HKD, Normal Delivery Fee is $390HKD:

香港居民申領《港澳居民來往內地通行證》(回鄉證) 須知 | 香港中旅證件服務有限公司 (ctshk.com)

If you can stay in HK longer, it's much cheaper to do expedited delivery. For me, due to work + leave reasons, I am better off doing two trips.

tauphi Dec 11, 2023 10:29 pm


Originally Posted by WildAndy (Post 35808420)
I am in a similar situation as kamchatsky,
Was planning to go back to HK at the end of 2019, but covid started. So now planning to go back to HK and mainland China to visit mother in-laws.

If you don't live in Hong Kong then you can apply for a Chinese Travel Document at your local Chinese embassy/consulate. Check the consulate website for instructions. The document is valid for two years and gives you unlimited entry rights to China.

hkleung Jan 5, 2024 9:21 pm

Renewing HRP with expired HK ID and HK passport
 
Hi kamchatsky Thanks for your detailed notes. I am in the same boat, overseas HK person with
  • expired HK ID (old generation from 2011)
  • expired HK passport
  • expired HRP (Home Return Permit- or Return to homeland card)
Your experience shows that we can renew a HRP with an expired HKID. Is a up-to-date HK Passport required to renew a HRP?
I also need to renew all three at the same time. It's quite a juggle.


Originally Posted by kamchatsky (Post 35799744)
I flew to HK over the weekend to renew my HRP using my old HKID.
Just to clarify, my older HKID is the older chipped version, and not the really old one in the 90s. I also renewed this older HKID to the current version of the HKID at the same time.

So the procedure is you need to book appointment for the HRP first. As they require to scan and view and verify your HKID. Using the older chipped version of HKID is fine, they have no problems with this. After application you still retain your existing HRP, and also HKID.

Later on the same day I went to HK immigration (also need to pre book) to apply to replace my HKID. They took my older HKID away and gave me a temporary paper HKID receipt to use before the new HKID card becomes available for me to pick up. I would need to leave HK using my passport instead of my HKID card. In this case I used my HKSAR passport.

That is also the reason why you need to book appointment to replace HRP first, then HKID later on the same day.

I will be flying back to HK at the end of this month to pick up both HRP and the new HKID card. I will pick up the HKID first, then the HRP.

Hope this helps.



kamchatsky Jan 9, 2024 1:16 am


Originally Posted by hkleung (Post 35880933)
Hi kamchatsky Thanks for your detailed notes. I am in the same boat, overseas HK person with
  • expired HK ID (old generation from 2011)
  • expired HK passport
  • expired HRP (Home Return Permit- or Return to homeland card)
Your experience shows that we can renew a HRP with an expired HKID. Is a up-to-date HK Passport required to renew a HRP?
I also need to renew all three at the same time. It's quite a juggle.

No, you do not need your current HKSAR passport to renew your HRP, just need the old chipped HKID and your old HRP.

I renewed my HKSAR passport a few years ago. They need to see your HKID.

So recommended appointment for you to renew in chronological order is:

1) HRP
2) HKSAR Passport
3) HKID

For HKSAR and HKID you can do both at Dept Immigration at Wan Chai. That's where I replaced my Passport and HKID.

​​​​​​Given you are also replacing HKSAR passport and HKID at the same time, I suggest you do not leave HK at that time as immigration officer told me to use my HKSAR passport rather than HKID to leave and re-enter HK whilst my HKID is being replaced.
​​​​​

chanjackyk Jun 24, 2024 2:43 pm


Originally Posted by kamchatsky (Post 35799744)
I flew to HK over the weekend to renew my HRP using my old HKID.
Just to clarify, my older HKID is the older chipped version, and not the really old one in the 90s. I also renewed this older HKID to the current version of the HKID at the same time.

So the procedure is you need to book appointment for the HRP first. As they require to scan and view and verify your HKID. Using the older chipped version of HKID is fine, they have no problems with this. After application you still retain your existing HRP, and also HKID.

Later on the same day I went to HK immigration (also need to pre book) to apply to replace my HKID. They took my older HKID away and gave me a temporary paper HKID receipt to use before the new HKID card becomes available for me to pick up. I would need to leave HK using my passport instead of my HKID card. In this case I used my HKSAR passport.

That is also the reason why you need to book appointment to replace HRP first, then HKID later on the same day.

I will be flying back to HK at the end of this month to pick up both HRP and the new HKID card. I will pick up the HKID first, then the HRP.

Hope this helps.


Hello! Can I walk in to CTS and take care of the HRP on same day? Online appt requires info that I don't have (hk address).

tauphi Jun 25, 2024 6:00 pm


Originally Posted by chanjackyk (Post 36327519)
Hello! Can I walk in to CTS and take care of the HRP on same day? Online appt requires info that I don't have (hk address).

No that's not possible. The application process takes over a week.

If you don't live in Hong Kong, you're supposed to apply for a Chinese Travel Document at your local Chinese mission in lieu of an HRP.

Gavcwc Sep 3, 2024 9:36 am


Originally Posted by hkleung (Post 35880933)
Hi kamchatsky Thanks for your detailed notes. I am in the same boat, overseas HK person with
  • expired HK ID (old generation from 2011)
  • expired HK passport
  • expired HRP (Home Return Permit- or Return to homeland card)
Your experience shows that we can renew a HRP with an expired HKID. Is a up-to-date HK Passport required to renew a HRP?
I also need to renew all three at the same time. It's quite a juggle.


Hi hkleung out of interest did you manage to sort this?


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