Originally Posted by Visconti
(Post 33945971)
You know, if they even open by Sep/Oct of 2022, I'd be ecstatic. Heck, I'd even settle for opening by Christmas.
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 33949986)
It's sad that you're saying this in January.
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Originally Posted by JNelson113
(Post 33868274)
How does all of this go along with zero covid? Do they seem to realize that zero covid is not happening?
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Originally Posted by Topcare
(Post 33958970)
no, they do not care. China also does not care if businesses pull out. If anything, they want them to. Hong kong is done as we knew it.
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Originally Posted by tauphi
(Post 33959193)
I think they would care if big businesses actually pulled out, so far that simply hasn't happened.
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Originally Posted by Topcare
(Post 33958970)
no, they do not care. China also does not care if businesses pull out. If anything, they want them to. Hong kong is done as we knew it.
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Originally Posted by justforfun
(Post 33959231)
Sadly I think you're right. Hong Kong is done. So is CX. Very sad.
I didn't realize it then, but my biggest regret was "out of an abundance of caution" not taking that final trip to HK in 2020. If I could have a do over, I'd definitely should've ignored "them," and just said "f*ck'em," and just gone with my instincts--it would have been infinitely preferable with this where I have to live with regrets. |
Originally Posted by Visconti
(Post 33965306)
It is indeed very sad. On some levels, I think I'm still in denial that all of this is actually happening to HK, and it's hard for me to get over that I had taken for granted that HK would enjoy, more or less, self-governance until 2047. And, to see what's happening to CX, through no fault of its own, is equally tragic as we're witnessing a once great Airline reduced to whatever it may be from the rubble.
I didn't realize it then, but my biggest regret was "out of an abundance of caution" not taking that final trip to HK in 2020. If I could have a do over, I'd definitely should've ignored "them," and just said "f*ck'em," and just gone with my instincts--it would have been infinitely preferable with this where I have to live with regrets. |
Shoud be interesting to see how the OMi rips through hong kong with a piss poor vaccine rate. Should be interesting to see china covid zero pushed to the limit. I've got my popcorn.
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Originally Posted by Visconti
(Post 33965306)
It is indeed very sad. On some levels, I think I'm still in denial that all of this is actually happening to HK, and it's hard for me to get over that I had taken for granted that HK would enjoy, more or less, self-governance until 2047. And, to see what's happening to CX, through no fault of its own, is equally tragic as we're witnessing a once great Airline reduced to whatever it may be from the rubble.
I didn't realize it then, but my biggest regret was "out of an abundance of caution" not taking that final trip to HK in 2020. If I could have a do over, I'd definitely should've ignored "them," and just said "f*ck'em," and just gone with my instincts--it would have been infinitely preferable with this where I have to live with regrets. |
Originally Posted by tauphi
(Post 33959193)
I think they would care if big businesses actually pulled out, so far that simply hasn't happened.
As for CX, it's indeed sad. I was a CX DM for a number of years and that will probably remain my favorite flying experience/period. Although, I think there was a group of us that would agree that the old Dragonair runs to China were the best in terms of service and food. I loved the KA A330 flights. After a few wall to wall days in China, hopping onto that A330 in F or J to head home to HK was my happy place. Those memories are safe from any politicians! |
Originally Posted by Topcare
(Post 33967305)
yup. China saw the pandemic as the opportunity it needed. And the world was too busy dealing with their own problems to care. Agreed. Sad to see CX on its deathbed. Most of my relatives have now left. Some who now regret not having left sooner.
Originally Posted by bpk6h
(Post 33967700)
My opinion on this - Banks and law firms will keep a presence but most likely at reduced levels. As for MNCs, the rationale to be HK based is simply not there anymore and has been declining for a number of years. Singapore already had the pre-pandemic lead of MNC APAC HQs and will only further solidify that position as there just aren't too many other reasonable choices in region. If you are looking at an APAC footprint these days, it's most likely a Singapore HQ where China is handled from regional offices within China (Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, etc). It's looking likely that HK won't even be the Greater Bay centre...that is Shenzhen. I have HK PR but I don't think there's a job there that would get me to leave SG at this point. Will still happily travel to HK for a weekend to see friends... although I have come to prefer exploring China if thinking about a family holiday...the Mainland just has so much more to offer in terms of cultural sites or unique places to stay which is where my personal travel preferences are.
As for CX, it's indeed sad. I was a CX DM for a number of years and that will probably remain my favorite flying experience/period. Although, I think there was a group of us that would agree that the old Dragonair runs to China were the best in terms of service and food. I loved the KA A330 flights. After a few wall to wall days in China, hopping onto that A330 in F or J to head home to HK was my happy place. Those memories are safe from any politicians! |
I started going to HK regularly when I was living in GZ in the early 2000’s. Would take the thru train there for the weekend and always felt like a breath of fresh air to arrive in the relatively orderly HK, check into the Langham Place hotel and just relax for 2 days before heading back.
I started seriously using CX/KA when I moved to Shanghai and had to fly to ANZ, India and South Africa every other month. It quickly became my favorite way to travel and I basically stuck with them from 2008 to Covid. I even enjoyed the short haul economy class HKG-SHA/PVG runs managing to score a few glasses of red wine on the 2 hour flight after suffering through the endless delays in the wing/pier/centurion lounges. Things felt different when I was in HK in 2019. Fewer mainland tourists and just a kind of sad vibe compared to Shanghai. My last trip through HKG was flying in of SQ in first from SFO and transferring to MU to Shanghai. I remember reading the FT on the SQ flight and an article about a new virus in Wuhan. I wish I’d chosen Cathay biz for that trip, if I’d known what was in store. I’d have liked to experience a bite of the burger one last time. HK, when it reopens, won’t really have much to offer over Shanghai, Beijing or Shenzhen and that’s just the way I think they decided to make it during 2019. They just didn’t know that Covid would give them the chance to transform it so quickly. HK will open when the Mainland opens, so probably in 2-3 years. |
Some recent US-based news articles on the HK situation (with an interesting division of NYT covering immigrant workers, and WSJ covering financiers...):
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/business/hong-kong-covid.html (https://archive.is/mSuDn) https://www.wsj.com/articles/hong-ko...ub-11646130602 (https://archive.is/duKnS) |
Don’t know why anyone would want to live there right now.
As an aside HK has more cases now than the entire USA. Not scaled by population, just absolute numbers |
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