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A new thread/Wiki has been created to help FTers navigating Hong Kong during the civil unrest:
Hong Kong Civil Unrest - Survival Guide Q&As (Flame Free)
Please refer to the thread as necessary.
Hong Kong Civil Unrest - Survival Guide Q&As (Flame Free)
Please refer to the thread as necessary.
Impacts of demonstrations on travel
#526
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Train service arrangements on 7 October
This message issued : 2019-10-07 05:00
MTR train service is maintained at some of the railway lines. Due to serious vandalism, most of the stations in the network are temporarily closed. Service hour of the entire network will be adjusted and ended at 6 pm to allow more time for repair.
Tsuen Wan Line service is suspended;
Kwun Tong Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Whampoa, Ho Man Tin, Yau Ma Tei, Mong Kok, Prince Edward, Lok Fu, Wong Tai Sin, Kowloon Bay, Ngau Tau Kok, Kwun Tong and Tiu Keng Leng stations are closed;
Island Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Sai Ying Pun, Sheung Wan, Admiralty, Wan Chai, Causeway Bay, Tin Hau and Fortress Hill stations are closed;
South Island Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Admiralty Station is closed;
Tseung Kwan O Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Tiu Keng Leng, Tseung Kwan O, Hang Hau, Po Lam and LOHAS Park stations are closed;
Tung Chung Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Sunny Bay and Tung Chung stations are closed;
Disneyland Resort Line service is suspended;
East Rail Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Tai Wai, Sha Tin, Tai Po Market, Fanling and Sheung Shui stations are closed;
West Rail Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, East Tsim Sha Tsui, Tsuen Wan West, Yuen Long, Tin Shui Wai and Tuen Mun stations are closed;
Ma On Shan Line service is suspended.
This message issued : 2019-10-07 05:00
MTR train service is maintained at some of the railway lines. Due to serious vandalism, most of the stations in the network are temporarily closed. Service hour of the entire network will be adjusted and ended at 6 pm to allow more time for repair.
Tsuen Wan Line service is suspended;
Kwun Tong Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Whampoa, Ho Man Tin, Yau Ma Tei, Mong Kok, Prince Edward, Lok Fu, Wong Tai Sin, Kowloon Bay, Ngau Tau Kok, Kwun Tong and Tiu Keng Leng stations are closed;
Island Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Sai Ying Pun, Sheung Wan, Admiralty, Wan Chai, Causeway Bay, Tin Hau and Fortress Hill stations are closed;
South Island Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Admiralty Station is closed;
Tseung Kwan O Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Tiu Keng Leng, Tseung Kwan O, Hang Hau, Po Lam and LOHAS Park stations are closed;
Tung Chung Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Sunny Bay and Tung Chung stations are closed;
Disneyland Resort Line service is suspended;
East Rail Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, Tai Wai, Sha Tin, Tai Po Market, Fanling and Sheung Shui stations are closed;
West Rail Line trains are running at 8 minutes intervals, East Tsim Sha Tsui, Tsuen Wan West, Yuen Long, Tin Shui Wai and Tuen Mun stations are closed;
Ma On Shan Line service is suspended.
#527
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 3,097
Just to add the separate notice about the Airport Express today, Monday (a holiday in HK):
Airport Express Service Arrangement (7 October)
This message issued : 2019-10-07 05:05
Airport Express will be running between Hong Kong, Kowloon and Tsing Yi stations from the start of service (non stop at AsiaWorld-Expo Station).
As requested by the Hong Kong Government and Airport Authority, staring from 1pm, Airport Express will be running between Airport and Hong Kong stations only. Trains will not stop at Kowloon, Tsing Yi and AsiaWorld-Expo stations.
MTR staff and Airport Authority staff will check flight tickets and travel documents in Hong Kong Station. Please allow more time for travel.
In-town Check-in service will be suspended at Kowloon Station for the whole day. In-town Check-in service at Hong Kong Station will remain normal and please allow 90 minutes ahead of the scheduled flight time for the check in service.
Airport Express Service Arrangement (7 October)
This message issued : 2019-10-07 05:05
Airport Express will be running between Hong Kong, Kowloon and Tsing Yi stations from the start of service (non stop at AsiaWorld-Expo Station).
As requested by the Hong Kong Government and Airport Authority, staring from 1pm, Airport Express will be running between Airport and Hong Kong stations only. Trains will not stop at Kowloon, Tsing Yi and AsiaWorld-Expo stations.
MTR staff and Airport Authority staff will check flight tickets and travel documents in Hong Kong Station. Please allow more time for travel.
In-town Check-in service will be suspended at Kowloon Station for the whole day. In-town Check-in service at Hong Kong Station will remain normal and please allow 90 minutes ahead of the scheduled flight time for the check in service.
#528
Join Date: Jan 2011
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Just to add the separate notice about the Airport Express today, Monday (a holiday in HK):
Airport Express Service Arrangement (7 October)
This message issued : 2019-10-07 05:05
Airport Express will be running between Hong Kong, Kowloon and Tsing Yi stations from the start of service (non stop at AsiaWorld-Expo Station).
As requested by the Hong Kong Government and Airport Authority, staring from 1pm, Airport Express will be running between Airport and Hong Kong stations only. Trains will not stop at Kowloon, Tsing Yi and AsiaWorld-Expo stations.
MTR staff and Airport Authority staff will check flight tickets and travel documents in Hong Kong Station. Please allow more time for travel.
In-town Check-in service will be suspended at Kowloon Station for the whole day. In-town Check-in service at Hong Kong Station will remain normal and please allow 90 minutes ahead of the scheduled flight time for the check in service.
Airport Express Service Arrangement (7 October)
This message issued : 2019-10-07 05:05
Airport Express will be running between Hong Kong, Kowloon and Tsing Yi stations from the start of service (non stop at AsiaWorld-Expo Station).
As requested by the Hong Kong Government and Airport Authority, staring from 1pm, Airport Express will be running between Airport and Hong Kong stations only. Trains will not stop at Kowloon, Tsing Yi and AsiaWorld-Expo stations.
MTR staff and Airport Authority staff will check flight tickets and travel documents in Hong Kong Station. Please allow more time for travel.
In-town Check-in service will be suspended at Kowloon Station for the whole day. In-town Check-in service at Hong Kong Station will remain normal and please allow 90 minutes ahead of the scheduled flight time for the check in service.
The MTR's ability to repair everything overnight and get most stations back up and running by the next morning has always impressed me. The fact they can't keep up anymore is worrying me, and is probably the first major impact of the protests for visitors. Getting around without MTR is easy enough with taxis, but nonetheless frustrating and a big thing to have to plan around.
#529
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: DCA
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Posts: 158
Realizing the situation is very fluid, I have plans to spend NYE in Hong Kong this year. We are beginning a two and a half week trip in Vietnam and ending in HK. Should I start considering other options or is it still too soon to tell?
#530
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Do not make any financial commitment for any booking. It is tempting as there are many very cheap prepaid rates for accommodations right now as tour operators have made commitments for large blocks of rooms in 2019
#531
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Thank you both very much. Very good insights and very useful information that I can act on with confidence. So Plan A will be the bus over bridge, and B4 shuttle to the hk port immediately after arrival and food at airport if hungry. If updated news indicate the possibility of a Sunday morning protect at the airport, or if plane arrives late, switch to Plan B ferry.
One more question: Do the shuttle/bus allow a larger (than carry on size) bag?
One more question: Do the shuttle/bus allow a larger (than carry on size) bag?
#532
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 765
I'll be on the airport express tonight as I return from a week-end trip. Hopefully no issues 🙃
The MTR's ability to repair everything overnight and get most stations back up and running by the next morning has always impressed me. The fact they can't keep up anymore is worrying me, and is probably the first major impact of the protests for visitors. Getting around without MTR is easy enough with taxis, but nonetheless frustrating and a big thing to have to plan around.
The MTR's ability to repair everything overnight and get most stations back up and running by the next morning has always impressed me. The fact they can't keep up anymore is worrying me, and is probably the first major impact of the protests for visitors. Getting around without MTR is easy enough with taxis, but nonetheless frustrating and a big thing to have to plan around.
#534
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 765
There were a few reports of phones being checked for protest photos/footage at the land border. I didn't hear of it happening at the airport. I've been in and out 20-30 times in the last couple of months via various borders and when I was unable to use the automated machines I only experienced the usual no-questions-asked formalities, but as usual YMMV, mostly based on your nationality and their judgement of your appearance.
#535
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Make plans to visit but have a plan B,C. We have no idea how things will be in Dec, 2019.
Do not make any financial commitment for any booking. It is tempting as there are many very cheap prepaid rates for accommodations right now as tour operators have made commitments for large blocks of rooms in 2019
Do not make any financial commitment for any booking. It is tempting as there are many very cheap prepaid rates for accommodations right now as tour operators have made commitments for large blocks of rooms in 2019
Challenge is having the outbound LAX - HKG. Harder to change the start of a trip last minute. There might be more last minute availability other places in Asia (we need 4 J savers), but I think our current plan b is still taking the flights no matter what and stay near Disney (and move on sooner) if things are not good. Or maybe plan c is taking the flights and buying an immediate connection somewhere else.
My only true sunk cost tied to HKG at this point is 4 tickets for the House of Dancing Water in Macau.
#536
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Given that many parts of the network haven't seen any protest activity at all and yet the entire network was suspended for all of Saturday, I think it has less to do with them no longer being able to keep up with repairs and perhaps more to do with political pressure, in order to try to turn public opinion against protestors by creating more visible impacts which can be blamed on protests.
Looking at the station closure map they are all over the place and every line has been affected. I ask you to look at the maps and suggest how to run any kind of service.
When you look at the amount of destruction and vandalism at so many station over so many week...
#537
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 765
Supposed to start a 2 1/2 week family trip (with 9 and 3 year old boys) with 9 of first 10 days in HKG on Dec 23rd (trip ends in SIN). May be an amazing time to go with less tourists - but also definitely time to start thinking about options too.
Challenge is having the outbound LAX - HKG. Harder to change the start of a trip last minute. There might be more last minute availability other places in Asia (we need 4 J savers), but I think our current plan b is still taking the flights no matter what and stay near Disney (and move on sooner) if things are not good. Or maybe plan c is taking the flights and buying an immediate connection somewhere else.
My only true sunk cost tied to HKG at this point is 4 tickets for the House of Dancing Water in Macau.
Challenge is having the outbound LAX - HKG. Harder to change the start of a trip last minute. There might be more last minute availability other places in Asia (we need 4 J savers), but I think our current plan b is still taking the flights no matter what and stay near Disney (and move on sooner) if things are not good. Or maybe plan c is taking the flights and buying an immediate connection somewhere else.
My only true sunk cost tied to HKG at this point is 4 tickets for the House of Dancing Water in Macau.
#538
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 765
One can think whatever they want to think but the fact is that they are out of replacement parts. Many of the stations ground level access has suffered so much vandalism that they are unsafe without major work. Until you are on the ground and witness the destruction yourself it is easy to do Monday morning QB
Looking at the station closure map they are all over the place and every line has been affected. I ask you to look at the maps and suggest how to run any kind of service.
When you look at the amount of destruction and vandalism at so many station over so many week...
Looking at the station closure map they are all over the place and every line has been affected. I ask you to look at the maps and suggest how to run any kind of service.
When you look at the amount of destruction and vandalism at so many station over so many week...
#539
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Given that many parts of the network haven't seen any protest activity at all and yet the entire network was suspended for all of Saturday, I think it has less to do with them no longer being able to keep up with repairs and perhaps more to do with political pressure, in order to try to turn public opinion against protestors by creating more visible impacts which can be blamed on protests.
#540
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: HKG • Ex SFO, NYC
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There were a few reports of phones being checked for protest photos/footage at the land border. I didn't hear of it happening at the airport. I've been in and out 20-30 times in the last couple of months via various borders and when I was unable to use the automated machines I only experienced the usual no-questions-asked formalities, but as usual YMMV, mostly based on your nationality and their judgement of your appearance.