Apr 2, 2023, 5:01 pm
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Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
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Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
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Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
Jun 11, 2019, 7:09 pm
#1532
Join Date: May 2016
Location: In btw SJC & SFO
Programs: Marriott Titanium & LTP, Hilton Diamond (Aspire card), Hyatt Globalist, UA Gold (almost free agent)
Posts: 510
The no-notice devaluations are an unfortunate (and inexcusable) Hilton hallmark, and one of the reasons it's my third program (after Marriott and Hyatt). It's been a difficult program for finding good redemption values for several years now, and that is clearly going to be even more true going forward.
IMO the outrage here is fully warranted, particularly from those who've acquired their points the hard way (i.e., through stays).
If you want to send a message to Hilton, cancel your credit cards.
IMO the outrage here is fully warranted, particularly from those who've acquired their points the hard way (i.e., through stays).
If you want to send a message to Hilton, cancel your credit cards.
Jun 11, 2019, 8:21 pm
#1533
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: GVA
Programs: BA Silver (OW Sapphire), A3 Gold (*G), Bonvoy LTTE, HHonors Diamond, LeClubAccor Silver, UA Silver
Posts: 1,777
It won't make them roll back the increases, but it might give them some pause for thought if enough of us voice our discontent.
Jun 11, 2019, 8:25 pm
#1534
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: HH Diamond, Marriott Gold, IHG Gold, Hyatt something
Posts: 33,533
None of my current properties that I often visit have increased, including my favorite 5k property. It does suck that many others have increased. I hate these stealth increases.
Jun 11, 2019, 10:29 pm
#1536
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Paradise
Posts: 1,617
I said it a year ago when they first begun the stealthy property category increases; I expect Category 3 (20,000 points) to be the new lowest standard tier with-in 2 years. Hilton has slashed the Cat 2 properties to only 15 in the US and I expect the rest of the world to follow in the upcoming months. By the end of next year every hotel will be at a minimum 20,000 points IMO.
Jun 11, 2019, 11:28 pm
#1537
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond, IHG Platinum
Posts: 3,692
FTFY
But really, after all these devals, the best deals are squarely at the top. 60k for a $200 room in a standard big city, or 80k for a $750 room in Maldives / Bora Bora.
But really, after all these devals, the best deals are squarely at the top. 60k for a $200 room in a standard big city, or 80k for a $750 room in Maldives / Bora Bora.
Jun 11, 2019, 11:46 pm
#1538
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: LAS ORD
Programs: AA Pro (mostly B6) OZ♦ (flying BR/UA), BA Silver Hyatt LT, Wynn Black, Cosmo Plat, Mlife Noir
Posts: 5,992
Jun 12, 2019, 12:46 am
#1539
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: norwich, uk
Programs: hhonors diamond
Posts: 5,391
Some chat about this over on loyalty lobby....
https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/11/...rly-june-2019/
https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/11/...rly-june-2019/
Jun 12, 2019, 1:29 am
#1540
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 610
For everyone praising hotels.com, note that you can't earn free nights when you use coupons. And you can't get AAA rate either, which is typically 10% off the hotels.com rate. Sure there are sales, but I think if you're not using coupons you're storing your money for a future hotels.com voucher instead of cash. Quite a shabby loyalty program IMO.
Jun 12, 2019, 7:46 am
#1541
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC (LGA, JFK), CT
Programs: Delta Platinum, American Gold, JetBlue Mosaic 4, Marriott Platinum, Hyatt Explorist, Hilton Diamond,
Posts: 4,888
Due in part to this change, I decided to use my last personal card Amex slot on the Marriott Brilliant card instead of the Aspire - Marriott points are harder to come by, and the $300 Marriott credit seems easier to use for me than the resort credits on the Aspire. I may still get the Aspire eventually (I already have the ascend), but it is hard to stomach several $400+ fees...
Jun 12, 2019, 8:51 am
#1542
Join Date: Dec 2010
Programs: Hilton Diamond, Marriott Titanium, Radisson Gold, Hyatt Globalist, M life Gold, IHG Spire
Posts: 918
For everyone praising hotels.com, note that you can't earn free nights when you use coupons. And you can't get AAA rate either, which is typically 10% off the hotels.com rate. Sure there are sales, but I think if you're not using coupons you're storing your money for a future hotels.com voucher instead of cash. Quite a shabby loyalty program IMO.
At least the hotels.com buy 10 get one free means what it says (and can be used for a partial discount at expensive hotels), unlike Hilton Honors, that means buy 10, get one free if you want to stay in Bakersfield.
Jun 12, 2019, 9:37 am
#1543
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Pacific Northwest
Programs: UA Gold 1MM, AS 75k, AA Plat, Bonvoyed Gold, Honors Dia, Hyatt Explorer, IHG Plat, ...
Posts: 16,817
For everyone praising hotels.com, note that you can't earn free nights when you use coupons. And you can't get AAA rate either, which is typically 10% off the hotels.com rate. Sure there are sales, but I think if you're not using coupons you're storing your money for a future hotels.com voucher instead of cash. Quite a shabby loyalty program IMO.
https://www.doctorofcredit.com/compl...s-com-save-33/
I was looking at booking some Hilton stays in Europe last week, and when I finally got around to finalizing my itinerary on Sunday they had all increased their award rates by 10k points. That cost me 70k points in one fell swoop.
Jun 12, 2019, 11:23 am
#1544
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: PHL/EWR
Programs: AA, US, WN, HHonors Diamond, Hyatt Plat
Posts: 1,528
Those deals are about as far apart as you can get on the redemption spectrum - they can't both be best.
Jun 12, 2019, 5:08 pm
#1545
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,381
As opposed to one that regularly devalues your points with no notice? Is your opinion that you are pleased to have the value of your stored points disappear such that you can't reliably plan aspirational travel?
Even the programs that DO give notice like IHG (barely) or Hyatt, I've had 25-50% devaluations hit hotels that I've stayed at and would happily redeem at again in the space of a year or two (I got whacked in the latest IHG and Hyatt devaluations for 2019, and not for fancy five star places either). So walking from Hilton over to (insert_chain_name_here) isn't really going to help me.
I'm fully aware of the limitations of hotels.com (and I fully expect them to someday pull the trigger on a devaluation), but at least 10% is 10%, not some vague aspirational number of points that gets changed at a whim in a completely non-transparent manner.
Yeah, this is pretty much exactly why I'm finding hotel loyalty programs to be less and less useful. In a devaluation environment, you're either a sucker for holding on to point value while it disappears like snow in a Chinook wind, or you're just burning your value as fast as you can (or your corporate travel accumulates points so fast you CAN'T spend them all, in which case, you probably don't even care).
Even the programs that DO give notice like IHG (barely) or Hyatt, I've had 25-50% devaluations hit hotels that I've stayed at and would happily redeem at again in the space of a year or two (I got whacked in the latest IHG and Hyatt devaluations for 2019, and not for fancy five star places either). So walking from Hilton over to (insert_chain_name_here) isn't really going to help me.
I'm fully aware of the limitations of hotels.com (and I fully expect them to someday pull the trigger on a devaluation), but at least 10% is 10%, not some vague aspirational number of points that gets changed at a whim in a completely non-transparent manner.
Yeah, this is pretty much exactly why I'm finding hotel loyalty programs to be less and less useful. In a devaluation environment, you're either a sucker for holding on to point value while it disappears like snow in a Chinook wind, or you're just burning your value as fast as you can (or your corporate travel accumulates points so fast you CAN'T spend them all, in which case, you probably don't even care).
Last edited by eponymous_coward; Jun 12, 2019 at 5:17 pm