Dec 11, 2017, 1:13 am
Last edit by: MaldivesFreak
Here is a link to Hilton T & C on pooling:
http://hiltonhonors3.hilton.com/en/p...money/faq.html
1. What is Points Pooling?
Points Pooling will allow Hilton Honors Members to combine their Points with family and friends to book a stay. With this perk, a Member (and up to 10 others) will now be able to combine their Points. For example, if a group of friends are taking a trip together and individually don’t have enough Points to cover their entire stay, they will now be able to combine their Points, free of charge, into one account to unlock new redemption opportunities.
2. Is there a fee to participate in the Points Pooling program?
No, there is no fee to participate in Points Pooling.
3. How many people can contribute to Points Pooling?
A total of 11 Hilton Honors Members can pool their Points together. One Member initiates the pooling and up to 10 other Members can contribute.
4. Do I need to create a new "pooled" account?
No. Members can use their existing account.
5. How many Points Pools can I be in?
There is no limit on the number of pools a member can be in at a given time.
6. Can you use Pooled Points for just room rates or can it be used for non-room rewards including shopping and experiences?
Yes, once Points are pooled, they can be used for any room or non-room reward product, including the experiences available on the Hilton Honors auction platform, Hilton Honors Shopping Mall and any other non-room reward products.
7. Can you combine Pooled Points with money?
Once Points are pooled they can be used for any room reward product, including a Points & Money Rewards™ reward reservation.
8. What is the minimum/maximum number of Points that can be pooled?
A Member can transfer a minimum of 1,000 Points and a maximum of 500,000 Points into a pool in a calendar year. A Member can receive up to 2 million Points in a calendar year.
9. Are there particular qualifications you must meet to be able to pool Points?
To use Points Pooling, you must be an active Member, be in the program for 30 days, and have a minimum Points balance of 1,000 Points.
10. When will Points Pooling be available?
Points Pooling is now available. Start pooling your Hilton Honors Points here.
11. When will the Points be shown in the other Member’s account and be ready for use?
The transferred or pooled Points will be available for use at the time of transfer, but please allow up to 24 hours for pooled Points to show up when you log in to your account.
12. Where and how do I Points Pool once I have a group of Members that want to combine Points?
All Points Pooling activities will be transacted online via HiltonHonors.com.
13. Where do I go to transfer my Points to the Points Pool initiator?
The Points contributor must access the transfer page through the Points Pool invitation email sent on behalf ot the Points Pool initiator.
14. What’s the difference between Points Pooling and Points Transfer?
Points Transfer is a 1:1 transaction, while Points Pooling allows for combining Hilton Honors Points with up to 10 other people (11 including yourself).
15. After I send Points to a friend for Pooling, what happens if he/she cancels the trip? How can I get my Points back?
If your friend has to cancel his/her trip, he/she can simply transfer the Points back to your account for free.
http://hiltonhonors3.hilton.com/en/p...money/faq.html
1. What is Points Pooling?
Points Pooling will allow Hilton Honors Members to combine their Points with family and friends to book a stay. With this perk, a Member (and up to 10 others) will now be able to combine their Points. For example, if a group of friends are taking a trip together and individually don’t have enough Points to cover their entire stay, they will now be able to combine their Points, free of charge, into one account to unlock new redemption opportunities.
2. Is there a fee to participate in the Points Pooling program?
No, there is no fee to participate in Points Pooling.
3. How many people can contribute to Points Pooling?
A total of 11 Hilton Honors Members can pool their Points together. One Member initiates the pooling and up to 10 other Members can contribute.
4. Do I need to create a new "pooled" account?
No. Members can use their existing account.
5. How many Points Pools can I be in?
There is no limit on the number of pools a member can be in at a given time.
6. Can you use Pooled Points for just room rates or can it be used for non-room rewards including shopping and experiences?
Yes, once Points are pooled, they can be used for any room or non-room reward product, including the experiences available on the Hilton Honors auction platform, Hilton Honors Shopping Mall and any other non-room reward products.
7. Can you combine Pooled Points with money?
Once Points are pooled they can be used for any room reward product, including a Points & Money Rewards™ reward reservation.
8. What is the minimum/maximum number of Points that can be pooled?
A Member can transfer a minimum of 1,000 Points and a maximum of 500,000 Points into a pool in a calendar year. A Member can receive up to 2 million Points in a calendar year.
9. Are there particular qualifications you must meet to be able to pool Points?
To use Points Pooling, you must be an active Member, be in the program for 30 days, and have a minimum Points balance of 1,000 Points.
10. When will Points Pooling be available?
Points Pooling is now available. Start pooling your Hilton Honors Points here.
11. When will the Points be shown in the other Member’s account and be ready for use?
The transferred or pooled Points will be available for use at the time of transfer, but please allow up to 24 hours for pooled Points to show up when you log in to your account.
12. Where and how do I Points Pool once I have a group of Members that want to combine Points?
All Points Pooling activities will be transacted online via HiltonHonors.com.
13. Where do I go to transfer my Points to the Points Pool initiator?
The Points contributor must access the transfer page through the Points Pool invitation email sent on behalf ot the Points Pool initiator.
14. What’s the difference between Points Pooling and Points Transfer?
Points Transfer is a 1:1 transaction, while Points Pooling allows for combining Hilton Honors Points with up to 10 other people (11 including yourself).
15. After I send Points to a friend for Pooling, what happens if he/she cancels the trip? How can I get my Points back?
If your friend has to cancel his/her trip, he/she can simply transfer the Points back to your account for free.
Hilton Points Pooling - Account Closed. Beware !!
Oct 16, 2017, 8:44 am
#196
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 24
all failed and complaint to FB CS, they filed a case but accounts closed after 2 weeks.
it is the one and only one point transfer and pool from our accounts. It is strange and thus we post this.
Very nice about your response. You are the rare one here trying to understand, not dreaming on this case. Thanks.
Oct 16, 2017, 8:47 am
#197
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 24
I honestly think the OP is putting way too much emotion in this. This would also explain the combative attitude towards this board. In the end the OP is not right. Hilton can close the account, period.. tough luck..
The only thing you can do is appeal to reason. Send a simple letter.. maybe something like the below, remain factual.
If there is no response or a negative response, take your losses and move on. There is no other action you can take.
Globalist
The only thing you can do is appeal to reason. Send a simple letter.. maybe something like the below, remain factual.
If there is no response or a negative response, take your losses and move on. There is no other action you can take.
Globalist
Oct 16, 2017, 12:06 pm
#198
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Charleston, SC, USA
Programs: Avis Pref+, Hyatt Explorist, Marriott Life Gold, Honors Silver, IHG Plat via MC.
Posts: 6,786
Small corrections to Globalist's otherwise-excellent letter:
\Dear Hilton,
On the <insert transaction date> i have purchased <insert number> Honors points at a value of <insert price> for my Honors account. I have made another transaction on <insert transaction date> for <insert number> Honors points at a value of <insert price>.
On the <insert date> I was informed of the closure of my Honors account for supposed fraudulent transaction(s). I am not aware of any fraudulent activity in my account and have not received a detailed explanation from your side or a chance to discuss on the phone this perceived issue to clarify.why a transaction was made to prevent closure.
I am aware of the option by Hilton to close the account as per the program terms and conditions, this is not a concern where points are awarded at no cost as loyalty benefit. In this case however I have purchased points at a direct cost and am not able to enjoy the intended use becauseif of this account closure by Hilton. Unless the account is re-instated I would require the financial transactions to be cancelled and the funds to be returned to my credit card.
\Dear Hilton,
On the <insert transaction date> i have purchased <insert number> Honors points at a value of <insert price> for my Honors account. I have made another transaction on <insert transaction date> for <insert number> Honors points at a value of <insert price>.
On the <insert date> I was informed of the closure of my Honors account for supposed fraudulent transaction(s). I am not aware of any fraudulent activity in my account and have not received a detailed explanation from your side or a chance to discuss on the phone this perceived issue to clarify.
I am aware of the option by Hilton to close the account as per the program terms and conditions, this is not a concern where points are awarded at no cost as loyalty benefit. In this case however I have purchased points at a direct cost and am not able to enjoy the intended use because
Oct 16, 2017, 12:10 pm
#199
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Charleston, SC, USA
Programs: Avis Pref+, Hyatt Explorist, Marriott Life Gold, Honors Silver, IHG Plat via MC.
Posts: 6,786
Also, is it possible to dispute/ oppose a credit-card charge with the issuing bank in China? The bank would require Hilton to defend/ explain why Zoe Tse should still pay. Or perhaps Hilton would just ignore it and let the charges be reversed.
Oct 16, 2017, 3:51 pm
#200
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,740
No. He transferred 20k and pooled 30k to me for my trip to Beijing
all failed and complaint to FB CS, they filed a case but accounts closed after 2 weeks.
it is the one and only one point transfer and pool from our accounts. It is strange and thus we post this.
Very nice about your response. You are the rare one here trying to understand, not dreaming on this case. Thanks.
all failed and complaint to FB CS, they filed a case but accounts closed after 2 weeks.
it is the one and only one point transfer and pool from our accounts. It is strange and thus we post this.
Very nice about your response. You are the rare one here trying to understand, not dreaming on this case. Thanks.
I thought Hilton allows point pooling without cost among accounts, dont even need to be in the same household. So why do a transfer and a pooling?
Oct 16, 2017, 7:56 pm
#201
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 355
I think in society there is an oversensitivity, including from brands regarding image. The other day a skin care brand apologised for an advert that had no racist connotation or intention, but effectively had to admit it had done something wrong to save its brand - the power of people on social media had won out. I certainly know in the workplace that being male now really counts against you as society seeks to redress the imbalance of generations before. Our media outlets are now dedicated to 50% gender-negative (male) articles..
Anyway, keeping on topic... if the poster has found similar examples online with people complaining and having the same experiences and that they happen to be chinese then I can understand this feeling of injustice. I do think there is a cultural difference here, certainly with regard to complaining. And, yes, I think it's possible that where suspicious activity typically happens from one geographic location, then this might be risk managed accordingly. But, even if this was the case (which I'm certainly not saying is), then highlighting this will not help in anyway.
I do find it alarming that an account with significant monetary value could just be shut down without warning and without further discussion.
Oct 17, 2017, 8:11 am
#202
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,528
Honors pooling and account closure?
The other thread was closed, but one of the items concerned me.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hilt...ut-reason.html
OK, so it seems (if I read the last bits correctly) that Hilton had closed the account because the two people got the credit card bonuses, bought extra points and then pooled them into one account for reward stays.
Assuming I've got the "jist" of things right, is that actually against the Terms?
I mean it would seem that 2 spouses would get independent card offers, and then wishing to stay somewhere, pool the points to use?
Is that not a "legit" use of the the new pooling system?
Just want to make sure as my partner has the card bonus (and I've had one for a while) and we want to pool the points for a reward stay, but I certainly don't want Hilton closing my account and losing all the points I've accumulated so far.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hilt...ut-reason.html
OK, so it seems (if I read the last bits correctly) that Hilton had closed the account because the two people got the credit card bonuses, bought extra points and then pooled them into one account for reward stays.
Assuming I've got the "jist" of things right, is that actually against the Terms?
I mean it would seem that 2 spouses would get independent card offers, and then wishing to stay somewhere, pool the points to use?
Is that not a "legit" use of the the new pooling system?
Just want to make sure as my partner has the card bonus (and I've had one for a while) and we want to pool the points for a reward stay, but I certainly don't want Hilton closing my account and losing all the points I've accumulated so far.
Oct 17, 2017, 8:59 am
#203
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: London
Programs: BAEC Silver, M&M, HHonors Gold
Posts: 1,223
On non-English speaking forum there were posts about transfers between the accounts that ended with accounts closures. Legitimate transfers between family members.
Someone tried to transfer points to one account but there was no sign it went through, so tried to second family member account. In general, 4 transfers were made and only one worked, third one. After transfer was finally completed, Hilton closed all three accounts.
After user complained, he got information to contact hhfraudprotection, no one else wanted to help him and he haven't heard from anyone. Not sure if it was sorted by now, or not. It was posted 11 days ago. It's quite possible that person is member here so may update us.
Someone tried to transfer points to one account but there was no sign it went through, so tried to second family member account. In general, 4 transfers were made and only one worked, third one. After transfer was finally completed, Hilton closed all three accounts.
After user complained, he got information to contact hhfraudprotection, no one else wanted to help him and he haven't heard from anyone. Not sure if it was sorted by now, or not. It was posted 11 days ago. It's quite possible that person is member here so may update us.
Oct 17, 2017, 5:34 pm
#204
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow
Programs: Airline Free Agent, Bonvoy Platinum, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 3,809
I'm actually in a similar situation minus the account closure.
I transferred 1XX,XXX points to a family member's account for a stay that we were going to do together. Since I had more points than him and he has DIA status, I told him I'd cover the cost of the stay and transfer the points to his account. However, due to a change in plans we had to cancel the stay, so we initiated a transfer for the same number of points back into my account. However, the points didn't transfer even after three more attempts so we reached out to the Diamond line who informed us to email a certain @hilton.com address. After sending an email to that email address, we received an email from HH Fraud Protection saying that account is now available for actions relative to this matter. However, we're still unable to process any of the transfers/points pooling for some reason.
It seems like no department we reach out to is able to help with the actual transfer? The folks at the Diamond line were quite unhelpful...
I transferred 1XX,XXX points to a family member's account for a stay that we were going to do together. Since I had more points than him and he has DIA status, I told him I'd cover the cost of the stay and transfer the points to his account. However, due to a change in plans we had to cancel the stay, so we initiated a transfer for the same number of points back into my account. However, the points didn't transfer even after three more attempts so we reached out to the Diamond line who informed us to email a certain @hilton.com address. After sending an email to that email address, we received an email from HH Fraud Protection saying that account is now available for actions relative to this matter. However, we're still unable to process any of the transfers/points pooling for some reason.
It seems like no department we reach out to is able to help with the actual transfer? The folks at the Diamond line were quite unhelpful...
Oct 24, 2017, 10:19 am
#206
Join Date: Oct 2017
Programs: IHG Platinum, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 3
Account suddenly closed
Hello,
Looking for help with my recent Hilton Honors account closure. I have been a Diamond member the past year. I went to check a confirmation and I couldn't enter my account. Upon chatting with Hilton I was informed that my account was closed due to improper pooling of points. I am not sure what that would be. I have read the terms and conditions and everything seems fine. I have pooled some points with my wife. They canceled three of my stays that is worth 120,000 points and I am afraid that the redemption will increase or be sold out by the time this is resolved. I have emailed the Fraud department and called numerous times without any help.
Looking for help with my recent Hilton Honors account closure. I have been a Diamond member the past year. I went to check a confirmation and I couldn't enter my account. Upon chatting with Hilton I was informed that my account was closed due to improper pooling of points. I am not sure what that would be. I have read the terms and conditions and everything seems fine. I have pooled some points with my wife. They canceled three of my stays that is worth 120,000 points and I am afraid that the redemption will increase or be sold out by the time this is resolved. I have emailed the Fraud department and called numerous times without any help.
Oct 24, 2017, 12:08 pm
#208
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Barcelona, London, on a plane
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Oct 24, 2017, 12:21 pm
#209
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: DCA
Posts: 7,769
That being said, of course, if there is anything to be learned from these experiences, it would be very useful.
I guess a good first question to the OP would be whether his wife was new to the program, or had had an active hhonors account for some time.
I guess a good first question to the OP would be whether his wife was new to the program, or had had an active hhonors account for some time.