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The resort benefit on the Aspire card only works at the ~200 hotels on the list at this link:
http://www3.hilton.com/en/resorts/index.html#
For existing Surpass card holders, AMEX verbally confirmed that on or after 20 January 2018, card holders can call in and request cards be converted to Aspire - while maintaining the same credit card number, balance limits, PIN, etc.

For the Aspire card, the Annual Weekend Night Reward will be issued in the form of a redeemable code and sent in an email from Hilton Honors to the email address listed on your Hilton Honors account. You will receive the reward email within 8-14 weeks after opening your Card Account and each year within 8-14 weeks after your Card Account anniversary date. E-mail for Hilton providing the free night certificate has been received by several people..

HonorsRepresentative (Lauren) has provided answers in the following posts to some of the questions that have been raised in this thread:

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29118905-post491.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29082769-post468.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29068815-post452.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29068259-post449.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29064439-post446.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29037200-post430.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29032382-post420.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29027525-post401.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29014945-post312.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29009198-post227.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29005693-post161.html
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Old Nov 1, 17, 5:50 pm
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I'm going insane reading 3-4 threads about the same thing!

Can the mods please consolidate all these threads into one?
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Old Nov 1, 17, 5:54 pm
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Originally Posted by HawkeyeFlyer View Post
What is the ratio of people who are offered or qualify to Amex Centurion vs these cards. It is like comparing apples to bowling balls.
Exactly.

Bringing up the Centurion card is so laughable. As the poster says, the Centurion is by invitation only but the AMEX HH family of cards is open to ANYONE who cares to apply.

Just because he has to pay 600 euro for an AMEX Plat with his home base, it has nothing, absolutely nothing, relevant to the US-based Aspire card.

Not to mention the AMEX Plat cards in US even have a first year FREE version.

Hence the poster is totally off based in doing the comparison.
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Old Nov 1, 17, 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by RolfD View Post
A centurion card is an invitation only card, if you manage to spend few hundred thousand Euros per year and want to pay a fee of 5000 Euros plus an annual fee of 2500 Euros the card will be yours.

If you travel a lot on business or first class and stay at 5 stars hotels a lot you can spend more than few hundred thousand dollars per year



Clearly this card Hilton Honors American Express Aspire Card is not market to everybody .

Hilton Honors American Express Aspire Card compare to other Amex Cards e.g Amex platinum ( elite status with sixt, hertz, avis, spg, melia, rezzidor, hilton, marriott, travel insurance, global entry fee, etc.... etc.... for 600 Euros);the benefits are minimal for the high annual fee
You totally miss the point.

This card is OPEN to ANYONE who cares to apply and meet the credit-worthy requirement. That is HOW credit card market in US works.
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Old Nov 1, 17, 6:00 pm
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Lauren,

So I signed up for the Surpass recently under the offer which offered the 100k sign up bonus after the $3k spend PLUS a free night after paying the second year annual fee. Based on what Iím reading Surpass holders will be upgraded to the Ascend card which will offer a free weekend night after spending $15k annually.

This brings up the following questions:
1. I assume free night on Surpass deal will be honored if I keep card after one year. Correct?
2. If I spend $15k once my card is moved over to the Ascend I will get a second free weekend night. Correct?
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Old Nov 1, 17, 6:09 pm
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AA Five Star/AF La Premier Ground Service, perhaps?

Originally Posted by Eujeanie View Post
I'd possibly get the $450 new diamond card if I could figure out a way to make the airline benefit work. With our airline status, we don't pay for change fees, luggage, cocktails...I'm wondering if it can be used to purchase Lounge membership...but with the Priority pass benefit even that is not necessary.

I'll probably stick with the $95 Ascend product - Gold has been fine, true about the lounges but most of them you pay for drinks anyway and food is often meh (there are exceptions) so I'll be ok with going back to Gold. We were Diamond this past year and a half and honestly I think I got more upgrades back when we were Gold.

How about using it for meal purchases in AA Clubs, or VIP Five-Star Ground Service with AA? Also, on some AF flights, you can buy Le Premier Ground Service. I think that these last two, would be a great Use of the credit.
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Old Nov 1, 17, 6:17 pm
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A couple of questions:

1. I applied for the Surpass in July of this year. Do I have to wait a certain amount of time before I can upgrade to the Aspire?

2. Is the $75 Annual Fee I already paid credited towards the $450 AF on the Aspire?
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Old Nov 1, 17, 6:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Bicoastal Yokel View Post
According to the Amex forum, we should be able to use the airline credit to purchase multiple $50 Delta gift cards, which can be applied to airfare. If that doesn't work, I'll probably use it for Sky Club membership, which I currently purchase with points.
If I can use the credit to buy Delta gift cards then it will be a no brainer for me to get the $450 card. $250 in delta flight credits and I always use my free night overseas and get well over $250 value out of it so Am Ex is basically paying me to be diamond if I go that route

I am a Delta diamond with a Delta reserve Am Ex so a skyclub membership wouldn't do me much good but since skyclub memrship will be a choice gift starting in January I could always use the credit to pay for sky club admission on the rare trip where I'm forced to fly WN to Nashville and won't be able to enter the club for free anymore.

Just make sure you fly Delta a lot if you use it for $50 gift cards since you can only apply one gift card per flight with delta
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Old Nov 1, 17, 6:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Happy View Post
You totally miss the point.

This card is OPEN to ANYONE who cares to apply and meet the credit-worthy requirement. That is HOW credit card market in US works.
So it is the amex platinum, still the benefits cost/ratio of the new amex hilton are abysmal to the amex platinum... btw the benefits of the amex charge cards are pretty much the same in USA and Europe (my card was issued originally in USA)

Still it is a card for an specific audience ( hilton honors) with very low benefits and it is comparable to the Platinum Delta Skymiles card.
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Old Nov 1, 17, 6:41 pm
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Originally Posted by gkbiiii View Post
How about using it for meal purchases in AA Clubs, or VIP Five-Star Ground Service with AA? Also, on some AF flights, you can buy Le Premier Ground Service. I think that these last two, would be a great Use of the credit.
That's the problem, living in Oregon our airline of choice is Alaska, and we get a lot of benefits for being Gold with them. I'd (almost) never use any of the services you mentioned. No, make that most likely never use.

And I was thinking about the Resort credit...resorts are quite expensive (usually), and who goes to a resort for one night? If you're going anyway, great, but to just make an effort to go for one night to get the credit? Not going to happen. And we don't go to a resort every year. We're going to a very nice beach "hotel" next year, in Florida, but "resort" is not in its name so no dice. And also, since resorts usually are so pricey, with taxes, and resort fees, it is one of the ways we use our points. So I can't see either using the airline perk or the resort perk.

Not to say that many will find them good value, but I think I'll be happy with our regular Ascend. we're culling down the cards we have so putting $15,000 on it should not be a problem. I'm afraid Diamond will be always out of reach, but that's ok. I truly believe those who have THAT many head on pillow nights DESERVE it, not someone like me.
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Old Nov 1, 17, 6:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Happy View Post
Exactly.

Bringing up the Centurion card is so laughable. As the poster says, the Centurion is by invitation only but the AMEX HH family of cards is open to ANYONE who cares to apply.

Just because he has to pay 600 euro for an AMEX Plat with his home base, it has nothing, absolutely nothing, relevant to the US-based Aspire card.

Not to mention the AMEX Plat cards in US even have a first year FREE version.

Hence the poster is totally off based in doing the comparison.
just because you have not been invited to have a centurion card it does not belittle the benefits of the card. I will point out that benefits of the card outweighs the cost of the card (e.g Delta Platinum Medallion status, Hilton Honors Diamond status)

and Finally just because I work in Germany it does not mean that i am detach from my home state NY
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Old Nov 1, 17, 7:40 pm
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I currently use Surpass for basically all of my business travel spend, just shy of $30k/year (my flights flights are still paid for directly by the home office). All things considered, I like the look of the mid-level cards compared to the current Surpass offering, even for $20/year more. The main benefit I see is the 10 Priority Pass Pass entries with the new card compared to the basic Priority Pass $25/entry scheme with Surpass. I currently only use the paid Priority Pass entry 1-2 times/year if I have an unexpected delay, but 10 paid passes would likely get used a bit more freely (AS in and out of SEA along with random Priority Pass options).

I like the idea of a top-tier offering that's HHonors focused, but I don't see myself ponying up for the Aspire, even though the benefits and fee likely do equal a net-zero or net-positive. The main issue is that I would have to actively try to take advantage of the Statement Credit benefits on expense-able items to recover the fee, and I'm not sure how easy that would be to do. Baggage fees and preferred seats are already waived based on status, I don't do a ton of on-board food buys, Comfort+ is now baked into the fare instead of an "incidental" fee, etc. I'd basically have to try to recoup it on same-day change fees (which is possible but marginal)... I have a feeling I'd become prone to making same-day changes PURELY for the statement credit, which would be disingenuous to my employer. The DL gift card route, if viable, would work as well but not be expense-able and most of my leisure travel is done on miles, not paid.

Also, I assume the Resort credit also applies only to incidentals and not base rate... which would, again, make it hard to recapture given I don't have a ton of "Resort" stays (I'd basically have to actively focus on Resort properties when in Orlando for business and try to recoup it all through F&B). The Waldorf/Conrad credit would likely be impossible for me to use because any stays I have there are either on corp rates or points, so I wouldn't be able to book the Aspire package to begin with.

More or less, I'm not sure trying to recoup the statement credit benefits of Aspire would be worth the effort just for unlimited Priority Pass (which I likely wouldn't use much more than the 10/year on Ascend) and probably another 30-40k points/year.

Any idea if they would convert a Surpass to Business instead of Ascend? I'm not sure if I would prefer the earnings on flights/car rentals vs. grocery stores but it would be nice to have the option (right now I'm thinking it would pretty much be a wash).

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Old Nov 1, 17, 7:59 pm
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Originally Posted by HawkeyeFlyer View Post
This new Hilton Aspire Card devalues Diamond status a great deal. After you get the credits on the card they are essentially paying you to be a Diamond member.

Not sure what Hilton was thinking here unless they have plans for an even higher status

Lifetime Diamond feels like a joke at this point
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Yes I know exactly how"cheaply one could get Diamond".....EXACTLY...qualify for the card and they will PAY YOU $50
This point is repeatedly made, however the $250, $250 and $100 credits are useless to me, and perhaps many other HH members. I don't pay airline incidentals, I don't go to Hilton resorts, I don't use WA/Conrad restaurants. So how many people will hand over $450 just for HH D status?
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Old Nov 1, 17, 8:06 pm
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This point is repeatedly made, however the $250, $250 and $100 credits are useless to me, and perhaps many other HH members. I don't pay airline incidentals, I don't go to Hilton resorts, I don't use WA/Conrad restaurants. So how many people will hand over $450 just for HH D status?
Agreed. I am HH Gold, and tbh paying $450 for the Aspire card doesn't really appeal to me - I already pay $550 to Amex for the Platinum card with all its attendant benefits, so the idea of paying $450 more to Amex (even with credits, of which at least the Waldorf one I know I would never use) holds no appeal for me. If anything I could see this card possibly cannibalising the AmexPlat for those people who have already churned their way through all AmexPlat flavours
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Old Nov 1, 17, 8:27 pm
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Yes, you will. This is answered in the FAQ (http://hiltonhonors3.hilton.com/en/e...-card-faq.html)
Well that's just dumb.

Q: What if I already have the Hilton Honors Card from American Express and/or the Hilton Honors Surpass Card from American Express?
A: If you already have a Hilton Honors American Express Card, you will still receive an additional Hilton Honors American Express Card if your Citi Hilton Honors Card transfers to American Express. Please contact American Express after your account transfers to discuss options for your accounts.
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Old Nov 1, 17, 8:59 pm
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Originally Posted by IsleOfMan View Post
I currently use Surpass for basically all of my business travel spend, just shy of $30k/year (my flights flights are still paid for directly by the home office). All things considered, I like the look of the mid-level cards compared to the current Surpass offering, even for $20/year more. The main benefit I see is the 10 Priority Pass Pass entries with the new card compared to the basic Priority Pass $25/entry scheme with Surpass. I currently only use the paid Priority Pass entry 1-2 times/year if I have an unexpected delay, but 10 paid passes would likely get used a bit more freely (AS in and out of SEA along with random Priority Pass options).
I wouldn't depend on PP getting you into the boardrooms. Alaska has been turning PP members away a lot lately when the clubs are crowded and only admitting Boardroom members people on first class tickets. I have never flown Alaska and have a Delta skyclub membership but at I like the Boardrooms over the skyclubs, especially in the morning when the pancake machine is out and was turned away at SEA recently and at LAX last year.

I you fly Alaska a lot it might pay you to get the Aspire and use the airline credit towards a boardroom membership (Boardroom members won't get turned away due to capacity).
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