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Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
#1246
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I also dont believe Honors would make award bookings non-refundable because that is NOT an industry standard. Not to say Honors would never go that route but the chance of it to go that direction is relatively small.
It always pay to check your cancelable bookings on hotels and rental cars.
It always pay to check your cancelable bookings on hotels and rental cars.
And the fact that you CAN change and rebook your hotel stays makes the program more valuable to participate in. Kind of like Southwest's program. Yes, it's not aspirational, but it can be useful. Which is usually good enough!
I'd note that a good chunk of the "best deals" in hotel stays involve non-cancelable rooms, which are obviously less attractive than freely-cancelable award stays.
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That's because you're BA Gold.
To cancel an AA flight award, I'd be paying $150 to get the miles back. Other airlines are similar- there are exemptions for top elites (for instance, as an AS MVP Gold, I am exempt from almost all fees such as flight award cancellation), but for John Q. Public, they have to pay up.
To cancel an AA flight award, I'd be paying $150 to get the miles back. Other airlines are similar- there are exemptions for top elites (for instance, as an AS MVP Gold, I am exempt from almost all fees such as flight award cancellation), but for John Q. Public, they have to pay up.
#1252
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I have complained about this change from Hilton, but I have to give Hilton credit where it's due. I looked at Hilton Blackpool (UK) for the summer, which used to be a Cat6 (30-50k). Expecting the worst, I was pleasantly surprised to see rooms for anywhere from 16k to 22k. And the next day, the price even dropped. So in this case, the new structure really worked out for me.
#1253
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Paradise
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I'm starting to think some hotels are trying shenanigans with the new award pricing or not properly adjusting award pricing.
A hotel in Miami which is a Cat 5, has a cheap rate of $100 per night but is charging 31000 points instead of 30000. A next hotel in Fort Lauderdale (Cat 6) has a rate of almost $140, but rooms are pricing below 30000 points. There's no way a Category 5 with a $40 lower base price is charging slightly more points for a standard room as compared to a Category 6 hotel with a higher rate.
A hotel in Miami which is a Cat 5, has a cheap rate of $100 per night but is charging 31000 points instead of 30000. A next hotel in Fort Lauderdale (Cat 6) has a rate of almost $140, but rooms are pricing below 30000 points. There's no way a Category 5 with a $40 lower base price is charging slightly more points for a standard room as compared to a Category 6 hotel with a higher rate.
#1254
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I'm starting to think some hotels are trying shenanigans with the new award pricing or not properly adjusting award pricing.
A hotel in Miami which is a Cat 5, has a cheap rate of $100 per night but is charging 31000 points instead of 30000. A next hotel in Fort Lauderdale (Cat 6) has a rate of almost $140, but rooms are pricing below 30000 points. There's no way a Category 5 with a $40 lower base price is charging slightly more points for a standard room as compared to a Category 6 hotel with a higher rate.
A hotel in Miami which is a Cat 5, has a cheap rate of $100 per night but is charging 31000 points instead of 30000. A next hotel in Fort Lauderdale (Cat 6) has a rate of almost $140, but rooms are pricing below 30000 points. There's no way a Category 5 with a $40 lower base price is charging slightly more points for a standard room as compared to a Category 6 hotel with a higher rate.
then again the pts are offset by the reg rate many people have codes that gets the reg rate reduced, so one needs to 1st find the cheapest rate they can book and then see what the pt amount is. Which is why I doubt I will be having many pt stays if any at all in the US.Exception being when I want a particuliar hotel and its pts are at its cap due to the very high rate being charged. Outside NA where most of my codes arent worth much it will be all pts
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1,000 HH points = <$5. Would you be as concerned if a paid rate moved around by this much?
#1257
Join Date: Sep 2007
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I have complained about this change from Hilton, but I have to give Hilton credit where it's due. I looked at Hilton Blackpool (UK) for the summer, which used to be a Cat6 (30-50k). Expecting the worst, I was pleasantly surprised to see rooms for anywhere from 16k to 22k. And the next day, the price even dropped. So in this case, the new structure really worked out for me.
You are simply exchanging x points per GBP.
In the past you would have probably paid cash rather than use 30 or 50 thousand points. Now you have a choice.
#1258
Join Date: Jan 2003
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I'm starting to think some hotels are trying shenanigans with the new award pricing or not properly adjusting award pricing.
A hotel in Miami which is a Cat 5, has a cheap rate of $100 per night but is charging 31000 points instead of 30000. A next hotel in Fort Lauderdale (Cat 6) has a rate of almost $140, but rooms are pricing below 30000 points. There's no way a Category 5 with a $40 lower base price is charging slightly more points for a standard room as compared to a Category 6 hotel with a higher rate.
A hotel in Miami which is a Cat 5, has a cheap rate of $100 per night but is charging 31000 points instead of 30000. A next hotel in Fort Lauderdale (Cat 6) has a rate of almost $140, but rooms are pricing below 30000 points. There's no way a Category 5 with a $40 lower base price is charging slightly more points for a standard room as compared to a Category 6 hotel with a higher rate.
I did the calculation on about 10 hotels in FLL and Miami area, they all have the same rate between $0.0042 to $0.0043 on the flexible rate before adding taxes/fees.
Last edited by Need; Mar 21, 2017 at 9:27 am
#1259
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I can understand it being 30k which was probably the cap for the hotel before if it was 40k then I could hear 40k but not that it was 30k before 3/1 and now with the same rate its 31k, but the unknown is what rate the $100 is that the OP mentioned.And if teh rate is $100 then by all means that should take only 20k when using pts, and Ive seen 19k due to the low rate when before 3/1 the hotel cat was 20-30. So something isnt adding up
#1260
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ES Sacramento still offering 40k standard award on a night when rooms going for over $300 . . . so that's a redemption value of .75 cpp.