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Minneapolis Feb 19, 13 3:58 pm


Originally Posted by Abidjan (Post 20278593)
saw this update after doing a search on the HH site. was wondering why many 25,000 point properties from the past were now 35,000 (searching late April). I also noticed that there weren't any Points+Cash results (possibly because the system is still updating?).

So, effective as of today, we can't even book at the old rates?

garygleck Feb 19, 13 3:59 pm

Doubletree London Tower...
 
40,000-60,000....I think the Mexican peso years ago was devalued less...

dw Feb 19, 13 4:00 pm

Honestly, after everything that has happened so far this year with Marriott and now Hilton, I'm more convinced than ever that I should just stop using my airline and hotel credit cards and stick to using something with straight cash back (i.e. Chase Sapphire Preferred or Citi Thank you Premier-- both give "cash back" when used to purchase airline tickets) because that will force me to just (1) redeem frequently instead of hoard points and (2) I know the worth of my "points" are not going to be at the mercy of a loyalty program's devaluation

lewdaniel Feb 19, 13 4:02 pm

Hilton vs. Starwood -- no debate any longer!
 
I've been a Hilton Gold/Diamond over the past 10 years and was on the fence about switching to Starwood based on recent declining levels of service/experience in many areas of the program. This new award redemption plan just made it real clear to me. Adios Hilton HHonors, HHello SPG Platinum!!!

mtkeller Feb 19, 13 4:03 pm


Originally Posted by Minneapolis (Post 20278607)
So, effective as of today, we can't even book at the old rates?

I'm seeing old cash & points rates for Conrad Tokyo and Conrad Hong Kong (25K points + cash) for dates I'll be there in May/June, but no standard room rewards. Glad I got my AXON for HKG booked at least.

eefor jfp Feb 19, 13 4:04 pm

Here's another example of the devaluation:
Hilton Tel Aviv.
Old Category: 7 (50,000 points per night)
New Category: 8 (should be 40,000-70,000 points per night)

Which means some dates should be 40,000. But all months for next year are showing 70,000!! There are no low rate dates. Which means, we can basically figure based on this and other examples that the range is pretty much worthless and that most if not all nights will be at the TOP of the range.
So the REAL cost of nights after devaluation is going to be:

HOTEL CATEGORY HHONORS POINTS REQUIRED FOR ONE FREE NIGHT
1 5,000 Points
2 10,000 Points
3 20,000 Points
4 30,000 Points
5 40,000 Points
6 50,000 Points
7 60,000 Points
8 70,000 Points
9 80,000 Points
10 95,000 Points

OUCH!!

sjuhawk_jd Feb 19, 13 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by raghu455 (Post 20278597)
I dont see any mention of Axon and whether we can stack Axon with 5th night free. That would make it worthwhile on some properties where we get 4th night via Axon and 5th night is free. I hope this will be the saving grace for the program!

I doubt it if you can stack both AXON and 5th night free.

Pointsloop Feb 19, 13 4:04 pm

Was the Axon info ever published or mentioned on their old list? I only heard about it reading the blogs and boards.

mirror74 Feb 19, 13 4:09 pm

Huge disgrace and very very sad day for Hilton :td::td::td::td:

Leaving for Marriott or Hyatt... bye bye...

Chicago Wine Geek Feb 19, 13 4:11 pm

I'm in the same boat as others. The 3 major places I travel to for work don't have a good SPG or Hyatt option, if any option. This still doesn't affect me too much. With kids 7 and 9, we aren't going to the Maldives or any CAT 10 property any time soon. I am shocked that the Skirvin Hilton in OKC is a CAT 7 now. That seems really high for OKC.

Pointsloop Feb 19, 13 4:11 pm


Originally Posted by moobearus (Post 20278243)
UPCOMING CHANGES - EFFECTIVE AS OF MARCH 28, 2013
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As of March 28, 2013, the following Standard Room Rewards chart will go into effect. To learn more about how many points are required for a free night at each participating hotel, view the reward pricing for Standard Room Rewards.

STANDARD ROOM REWARDS
HOTEL CATEGORY HHONORS POINTS REQUIRED FOR ONE FREE NIGHT

1 5,000 Points
2 10,000 Points
3 20,000 Points
4 20,000 to 30,000 Points
5 30,000 to 40,000 Points
6 30,000 to 50,000 Points
7 30,000 to 60,000 Points
8 40,000 to 70,000 Points
9 50,000 to 80,000 Points
10 70,000 to 95,000 Points

5th Night Free: Silver, Gold and Diamond elite members will receive every 5th night free* on Standard Room Reward stays of 5 consecutive nights or more (up to 4 free nights on a stay of 20 consecutive nights).

The old chart looked like this:

Hotel category HHonors Points required for 1 free night
1 7,500
2 12,500
3 25,000
4 30,000
5 35,000
6 40,000
7 50,000
Waldorf Astoria™ Hotels & Resorts 50,000–80,000

So cat 1-3, the points requirement actually went down and now has 5th night free bonus.

The old chart also never mentions the Axon benefits so there may be some hope that you can stack it with the 5th night.

Although, Amex getting rid of 6x drug store does make it a bit more painful.

I don't know if I'm ready to jump ship yet, but it doesn't look as bad as some of the other hotel devaluations.

ddkrules Feb 19, 13 4:15 pm

So for 2013 HHonors already increased the levels for stays/nights for obtaining Gold and Diamond.
And now they also make an incredible change for the worse in the number of points needed for reward stays!

And what is that BS about season pricing? Conrad Maldives shows at 95 K year round! That is practically double the current redemption rate and even if the so called "bonus" with every 5th night free is taken into account eg. a 6 night stay at Conrad Rangali would earlier set Silver, Gold and Diamonds (ie. the ones getting the "free" night) back 225,000 points. Now it will be 475,000!!!
Totally ridiculous and sickening!

How much do they really think that HHonors customers can/will take? I for one will not take it! I am sad to leave Hilton but since you force me to do it I have to say: "Message received. Thank you and goodbye"!

msc75 Feb 19, 13 4:19 pm


Originally Posted by musikdude (Post 20277888)
80,000 for one night at London Park Lane(except for one month- Jan. for 70k!)

THAT IS JUST INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL HYATT-ALL THE TIME FROM NOW ON!!!!!!!!

Wow, this is terrible. So glad I spent most of my HH points last year, including a five night stay at the Park Lane in July for 195,000 points. I guess I won't be putting any more spend on the HH AMEX anymore. No wonder they just gave me Gold status until March 2015, it's basically useless now!

georgehf Feb 19, 13 4:22 pm


Originally Posted by jjglaze77 (Post 20277657)
STANDARD ROOM REWARDS
HOTEL CATEGORY HHONORS POINTS REQUIRED FOR ONE FREE NIGHT
1 5,000 Points
2 10,000 Points
3 20,000 Points
4 20,000 to 30,000 Points
5 30,000 to 40,000 Points
6 30,000 to 50,000 Points
7 30,000 to 60,000 Points
8 40,000 to 70,000 Points
9 50,000 to 80,000 Points
10 70,000 to 95,000 Points

Just saw this as well. Ouch. Was looking at a Seychelles redemption that was 50k / night, now 95k.

Forget Skypesos, HHonors Points are more akin to Zimbabwean Dollars!

I stayed at that hotel just a few years ago for <40k ppn with the vip discount. It's crazy how quickly HH points are devaluing.

ITguy Feb 19, 13 4:22 pm

This is some bad news! The hotels I'm looking at for my upcoming trips have nearly doubled in price (50k to 95k)!

The only silver lining is that I now have some serious pressure to start booking things.


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