What chain can we all move to our stays to in protest? Marriott has carried out its own devaluation, IHG has "reorganised" it's scheme that increases the cost of stays in EU/NA, an effective devaluation itself if you live and holiday in these areas. Neither Hyatt nor SPG has the reach of Hilton/Marriott/IHG. So we're pretty snookered here.
In reality devaluations arena inevitable part of all these schemes that provide points based on spend but fixed rate redemptions. It's the effect of inflation... |
Originally Posted by BrightlyBob
(Post 20339775)
What chain can we all move to our stays to in protest?
By "best comparable" in my opinion, I'm taking into account the full scope of all of their midscale brands which are predominantly North America. In Europe, you might find that Starwood is actually close enough and worth a look...kind of depends on your specific cities/countries you visit most. |
Originally Posted by BrightlyBob
(Post 20339775)
What chain can we all move to our stays to in protest? Marriott has carried out its own devaluation, IHG has "reorganised" it's scheme that increases the cost of stays in EU/NA, an effective devaluation itself if you live and holiday in these areas. Neither Hyatt nor SPG has the reach of Hilton/Marriott/IHG. So we're pretty snookered here.
In reality devaluations arena inevitable part of all these schemes that provide points based on spend but fixed rate redemptions. It's the effect of inflation... |
I just returned from a stay at the Boca Beach Club (learned of the deval on the day of my arrival!) so I inquired with the manager at the front desk about the situation. He was very well spoken, astute, and took time to explain the matter.
His explanation went all the way back to 9/11 and how everything took a nose dive. Then you had 2008/9 come along and wipe everything away again. Now the year is 2013 and hotel rates are starting to creep back to their highest levels in a long time (and yes inflation is there too). He indicated the change in the points structure is simply a laggard to the actual rates, plus they're trying to make up for the lost 2000's. The whole technical explanation was very MBA-flavored. I do sort of see his point. Boca Beach Clubs BAR was $700+ a night the week of Presidents Day. To get that type or locale and room for 42,500 points on a 4 nights stay is an incredible deal no matter which way you slice it. (I found an excellent group rate so I paid cash...) All that said, BBC is now a category 9 with high season ringing it at 80k points. A 4-night stay this year would've cost me about 170K points, now it'd cost me 320K. Is that a ridiculous increase? Yes. Should there have been an increase? Yes, albeit not of that magnitude (at LEAST all at once). And the whole 5th night free thing is plain stupid. As another poster mentioned, in anticpiation for the end of March, I tried booking my stay (on points) for next year 2014. All that's showing is a 1 king bed accessible room for standard redemption, even though they show availibility for regular kings and double-bedded rooms. Seems like trickery to me. I'm going to call them out on this, but it might not help. I love the BBC. :( |
Originally Posted by Ritz
(Post 20337162)
How exactly would you suggest they "compensate loyal members"? Undo the announced program changes? Deposit an incredible amount of points unilaterally in top elite accounts? Cut the redemption ratio requirements for top elites?
Going forward they have every right to make an adjustment but to devalue existing points that I had saved to use in 2014. Existing points should not be worth less. My example is I have a bank account balance that has earned interest at a rate of 3%. The rate going forward changes to 1%. Should the bank then devalue the interest already earned. I THINK NOT!!!! Just a bunch of greedy corporate jerks. I was loyal to the brand.....why are they not loyal to me!! |
Originally Posted by san888
(Post 20343257)
This is very simple, I earned the points under the old redemption period and most as stays not credit card spend. If you are gold or diamond pro-rate the existing points by a fair factor.
Going forward they have every right to make an adjustment but to devalue existing points that I had saved to use in 2014. Existing points should not be worth less. My example is I have a bank account balance that has earned interest at a rate of 3%. The rate going forward changes to 1%. Should the bank then devalue the interest already earned. I THINK NOT!!!! Just a bunch of greedy corporate jerks. I was loyal to the brand.....why are they not loyal to me!! HH isn't taking away any of your points, they have just decided they are worth less, going forward. Irritating, even infuriariting, but entirely within the gift of the programme. tb |
Originally Posted by ben1233
(Post 20342381)
I just returned from a stay at the Boca Beach Club (learned of the deval on the day of my arrival!) so I inquired with the manager at the front desk about the situation. He was very well spoken, astute, and took time to explain the matter.
His explanation went all the way back to 9/11 and how everything took a nose dive. Then you had 2008/9 come along and wipe everything away again. Now the year is 2013 and hotel rates are starting to creep back to their highest levels in a long time (and yes inflation is there too). He indicated the change in the points structure is simply a laggard to the actual rates, plus they're trying to make up for the lost 2000's. The whole technical explanation was very MBA-flavored. I do sort of see his point. Boca Beach Clubs BAR was $700+ a night the week of Presidents Day. To get that type or locale and room for 42,500 points on a 4 nights stay is an incredible deal no matter which way you slice it. (I found an excellent group rate so I paid cash...) All that said, BBC is now a category 9 with high season ringing it at 80k points. A 4-night stay this year would've cost me about 170K points, now it'd cost me 320K. Is that a ridiculous increase? Yes. Should there have been an increase? Yes, albeit not of that magnitude (at LEAST all at once). And the whole 5th night free thing is plain stupid. As another poster mentioned, in anticpiation for the end of March, I tried booking my stay (on points) for next year 2014. All that's showing is a 1 king bed accessible room for standard redemption, even though they show availibility for regular kings and double-bedded rooms. Seems like trickery to me. I'm going to call them out on this, but it might not help. I love the BBC. :( |
Another Diamond here who will be staying elsewhere for the rest of 2013.
This program has been in the toilet on slow-flush since 2009. Hilton basically devalues EVERY hotel in their system at one time? Unreal. I also have Diamond status with Hyatt. Deval for 2013 for Hyatt? Only SEVEN (7) properties in their entire portfolio were affected by tier/points changes for 2013. Hyatt may not have as many properties as Hilton, but their program blows away Hilton by a long shot. |
Originally Posted by luv2ctheworld
(Post 20328897)
ilton would certainly be forced to change it.
Another sad reality. Award points are going to get more and more devalued. This can be seen by what Southwest, JetBlue, and possibly what Delta will do with FBATR (fare based award ticket redemption). Sad, but true... Throw in the Companion Pass for frequent travelers and it's really one of the better programs in the industry. My wife and I have taken 3 trips in the last 12 months using Companion Pass and purchasing my ticket during the sales period and I used less then 25,000 rewards points for ALL 3 TRIPS combined. People scoff at SW for not having First Class upgrades, but their bonus program is excellent. In fact, they are running double points/double tier qualifying all the way through May 15 this year. Unheard of by other airlines. |
Originally Posted by Ravenboy2001
(Post 20347538)
Excellent post, but I need to point out that 2-3 times a year, Southwest does a big $49-$99 sale (or something along those lines) and those sales offer Rapid Rewards customers plane tickets at a huge points discount as long as they are purchased during the sale period.
Throw in the Companion Pass for frequent travelers and it's really one of the better programs in the industry. My wife and I have taken 3 trips in the last 12 months using Companion Pass and purchasing my ticket during the sales period and I used less then 25,000 rewards points for ALL 3 TRIPS combined. People scoff at SW for not having First Class upgrades, but their bonus program is excellent. In fact, they are running double points/double tier qualifying all the way through May 15 this year. Unheard of by other airlines. |
When I received the email I decided not to do any research right away as I knew that I would have an emotional response. Waited till today to read up on the changes and the go through the 54 pages or comment here. I let the last two major devaluations make me miserable; ironically I stayed with Hilton in the end.
I am glad that I was able to spend seven weeks in Hawaii back during the 100k era. I was also able to stay at both the Hilton Eiffel Tower and Hilton Arch de Triumph when they were in the system. The Conrad Tokyo is one of my favorite hotels. Add in Hilton Amsterdam, Hilton Shanghai, Hilton Trafalgar, and many others and I have to say that I have had some magical times using my HH points. I have been a Diamond member since 1996. That said, I am really disappointed by this latest devaluation. With 900,000 points in my account I will be talking with my wife about the best strategy to use them. We will also discuss what our best options are going forward and will make a decision on whether to stay with Hilton based on what will give us the best value/experience. While I would have preferred that these changes had not been made, the fact is that they have. Being a Diamond today is significantly different than it was in the 90's. That is life. I have hung on for the last couple of years hoping that Hilton would offer lifetime status. In looking at the future, that will be a consideration in looking at other programs. Instead of getting angry and upset I choose to look at this as an opportunity to plan a fantastic trip with the love of my life and to use the analytical skills that make an informed decision about my future travel. Whether I stay or go, thank you Hilton for some really great times. |
Originally Posted by Ravenboy2001
(Post 20347538)
Excellent post, but I need to point out that 2-3 times a year, Southwest does a big $49-$99 sale (or something along those lines) and those sales offer Rapid Rewards customers plane tickets at a huge points discount as long as they are purchased during the sale period.
... People scoff at SW for not having First Class upgrades, but their bonus program is excellent. In fact, they are running double points/double tier qualifying all the way through May 15 this year. Unheard of by other airlines. WN's bonus program is decent sometimes; if you look @ AA/UA/DL, they also offered double EQM's at one time or another. They also have discounted award bookings occasionally as well.
Originally Posted by DevilDawg1960
(Post 20347736)
... Instead of getting angry and upset I choose to look at this as an opportunity to plan a fantastic trip with the love of my life and to use the analytical skills that make an informed decision about my future travel.
Whether I stay or go, thank you Hilton for some really great times. |
Originally Posted by DevilDawg1960
(Post 20347736)
When I received the email I decided not to do any research right away as I knew that I would have an emotional response. Waited till today to read up on the changes and the go through the 54 pages or comment here. I let the last two major devaluations make me miserable; ironically I stayed with Hilton in the end.
I am glad that I was able to spend seven weeks in Hawaii back during the 100k era. I was also able to stay at both the Hilton Eiffel Tower and Hilton Arch de Triumph when they were in the system. The Conrad Tokyo is one of my favorite hotels. Add in Hilton Amsterdam, Hilton Shanghai, Hilton Trafalgar, and many others and I have to say that I have had some magical times using my HH points. I have been a Diamond member since 1996. That said, I am really disappointed by this latest devaluation. With 900,000 points in my account I will be talking with my wife about the best strategy to use them. We will also discuss what our best options are going forward and will make a decision on whether to stay with Hilton based on what will give us the best value/experience. While I would have preferred that these changes had not been made, the fact is that they have. Being a Diamond today is significantly different than it was in the 90's. That is life. I have hung on for the last couple of years hoping that Hilton would offer lifetime status. In looking at the future, that will be a consideration in looking at other programs. Instead of getting angry and upset I choose to look at this as an opportunity to plan a fantastic trip with the love of my life and to use the analytical skills that make an informed decision about my future travel. Whether I stay or go, thank you Hilton for some really great times. I, too, have had some great vacations courtesy of my Hilton points. I had been Diamond for 6 consecutive yrs (dropping this yr), earning 400+K points per yr for many yrs. over the yrs, I have experienced many devaluations of both airline & hotel loyalty programs. As a result, I use my points quickly to get the most value from them. The loyalty programs are not banks. Saving points/ miles will only lead to disappointment since they do not hold value. I'm busy trying to use my remaining 450k since many of my favorite hotels are on the list for the massive point increases. The biggest limitation is not enough vacation time. Looks like my days of low cost vacation courtesy of Hilton are over :( |
Originally Posted by travelinfoo
(Post 20348526)
The loyalty programs are not banks. Saving points/ miles will only lead to disappointment since they do not hold value. I'm busy trying to use my remaining 450k since many of my favorite hotels are on the list for the massive point increases. The biggest limitation is not enough vacation time. Looks like my days of low cost vacation courtesy of Hilton are over :(
I'm wish I could book out to July 2014 for a europe trip I know I will be taking. |
Originally Posted by jamesteroh
(Post 20348582)
I wish I wouldn't have saved all my points. I used them for a couple Trafalgar and Miami bentley trips and DT times square on new years so I have gotten some VERY EXPENSIVE stays out of them, but I still have almost 2 million points. Wish I would have used them sooner, I figured with the devaluation in 09 it would be a while before Hilton did another one, and never dreamed it would be this bad:(
I'm wish I could book out to July 2014 for a europe trip I know I will be taking. |
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