Originally Posted by trueblu
(Post 20305722)
Whilst I agree that the new rates are on the whole terrible and a massive devaluation, it has made me think how one can extract best value from the programme. Staying at 'aspirational' properties on points is now only for the very points rich. But there is good value to be had in a few gems -- but I'm concerned these may be 'mistake' rates since the points requirements are very significantly lower than before.
Is there any way to lock these in and book them now? Am looking for a stay in early April in one property, so availability so late may also be an issue. tb Book the OLD rates before 3/28. Book the NEW rates after 3/28. You can't book the new rates until AFTER they go into effect. |
Originally Posted by etsmyers
(Post 20304568)
No, after March 28, 2014 they will.
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Originally Posted by holtju2
(Post 20306019)
You can book (at least some) properties all the way to March 2015 as have been mentioned here earlier and what I documented as well.
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Stringing a week together with the devaluation
If you have the Citi HH Reserve Card which I just got and Silver or higher status you can string a week together using your points
1st to 4th night with points 5th night free with your status 6th night is your annual Citi Reserve Free night I agree with everyone else that this devaluation is awful. I'm not giving up yet, but I'll be taking a look at Hyatt This puts a snafu in my plan that began just January 1st, 2013 to get Hilton points for all my charges. That's why I got the new card so I could charge business and personal. |
I still think this is an attempt to clean up the goofy system they created and they are moving to a system that rewards the AIB nights appropriately.
All of these credit card reward points cost them money to purchase and assign/redeem and they do nothing to increase the loyalty. I think they are figuring out there is a large share of their HHonors membership that are loyal to the program who are not loyal to the hotels. If that is indeed the end game and I pay a higher premium during the correction period, I am all for it. @:-) |
This devaluation of points by Hilton has prompted me to sign up to FlyerTalk and this is my first post. I am someone who has HHonors Diamond status strictly from hotel stays not any credit card affiliation/activity and this latest move feels like a real kick in the gut. I have long recommended various Hilton properties to friends/associates and now I really don't feel like doing such. Also, this latest move reinforced my growing sentiment that the difference between Diamond and Gold was really not enough to warrant those extra stays when you could also be building status at one of their competitors. To me that shows there is something wrong.
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Originally Posted by monsrt
(Post 20304280)
Well I had 175 paid nights last year at Hilton properties. Anyone guess how many paid nights I'll have this year? Anyone...anyone? This is ridiculous. Clubcarlson is looking better and better especially if you have there credit card and can get two for one reward stays. Too bad they done have a lot of properties.
I tend to redeem for long haul holidays and the odd weekend in London. With their triple points promotion, my week here will earn me 90k points, within a smidgin of 2 free nights in London. The equivalent stay at the Trafalgar would earn 40k points, now about 1/2 a night in London. For me, at least, it's a no brainer. |
Originally Posted by ryandk
(Post 20300308)
In August, I'm staying 8 nights at a Hilton with the 7th night free. If HHonors has the 5th night free as a benefit, do I get 2 nights free during this stay?
The "stay four nights and get the fifth night free" is part of the new HH reward stay for VIP's. |
Originally Posted by underpressure
(Post 20307528)
I still think this is an attempt to clean up the goofy system they created and they are moving to a system that rewards the AIB nights appropriately.
All of these credit card reward points cost them money to purchase and assign/redeem and they do nothing to increase the loyalty. I think they are figuring out there is a large share of their HHonors membership that are loyal to the program who are not loyal to the hotels. If that is indeed the end game and I pay a higher premium during the correction period, I am all for it. @:-) |
Originally Posted by NJUPINTHEAIR
(Post 20307901)
That pre-supposes they are getting rid of credit card churners and I don't know if they have taken any steps to prevent this in the future.
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Originally Posted by NJUPINTHEAIR
(Post 20302365)
What's really stupid is that they have alienated their active revenue source to fix a problem -- credit card churners and VR abusers -- that could be easily fixed by limiting the number of times one obtains bonus points one receives when filing a credit card application for the AMEX/Citi HHonors product, and do as the Chase Marriott does and limit the bonus points to a one time thing.
Instead, those who actually stay in their hotels are bearing the brunt of this devaluation equally with those who caused it in the first place. First and foremost, they may have determined that Diamonds and Golds value bennies like free WiFi, breakfasts, upgrades (particularly for award, leisure stays) more than stays at exotic resorts for below market redemptions. This describes me, I am guilty of playing the credit card game to accumulate Honors points, primarily through Hawaiian Airlines - well beyond Hilton's control. To compensate for the dilution, I would not be surprised to see more generous quarterly promotions this year, possibly involving partners, like the Q412 promo with Virgin Atlantic. Hilton would also be very wise to "encourage" more properties to participate in quarterly promos, in return for the higher redemption value. Hilton likely makes big money from credit cards, I do not consider them a primary cause of the change, churners are a small minority, can be dealt with if/when necessary by AMEX, Citi. |
Originally Posted by underpressure
(Post 20307528)
I still think this is an attempt to clean up the goofy system they created and they are moving to a system that rewards the AIB nights appropriately.
All of these credit card reward points cost them money to purchase and assign/redeem and they do nothing to increase the loyalty. I think they are figuring out there is a large share of their HHonors membership that are loyal to the program who are not loyal to the hotels. If that is indeed the end game and I pay a higher premium during the correction period, I am all for it. @:-) Don't devalue points I earned sometimes for stays at higher rates than other hotels just so I could keep my Diamond status!! I strongly feel they should have rewarded loyal Hilton patrons with some sort of equitable adjustment on accrued points. My example: -- if you earn interest on a bank account and the interest rate goes from 3% to 1%, they don't go back and retro actively take all the intest you earned at 3% back. Bad buisness and "CORPORATE GREED" is the only way to explain this. |
Originally Posted by ORD-TGU
(Post 20294571)
1- The people who got royally shafted are the business travelers who actually have to stay at hiltons, they now have to stay twice as many nights to get the same.
I really feel bad for them, business travellers away from thier home/families, this is the true loyal customer, slowly building their accounts, while I churn cards and manufature spend, I am Diamond through credit cards. Did hilton not see that? Also the other loyal customers outside the USA got really screwed, they dont have CVS, VR, Mint, etc, and they cant churn. |
I just made an reservation using an AXON7 reward. I notice the award certificate is valid for a year. Can I stockpile AXON certificates now at the current redemption rate for future use? Due to a cancelled trip I am sitting on 900,000 points and would like to minimize the effect of the upcomming devaluation.
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Originally Posted by Schutzee
(Post 20308689)
I just made an reservation using an AXON7 reward. I notice the award certificate is valid for a year. Can I stockpile AXON certificates now at the current redemption rate for future use? Due to a cancelled trip I am sitting on 900,000 points and would like to minimize the effect of the upcomming devaluation.
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