A UK Hilton has police raid my room, says I was running a brothel
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I don't know about OP's wife, but if it had happened to my wife and her friends, she will never stay at that hotel again. Once she was in a bank and the teller asked her if she is a "mail ordered bride" just because of her Russian accent. She never went back to that bank again. Judging someone just by accent or color of the skin is just plain wrong.
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I don't know about OP's wife, but if it had happened to my wife and her friends, she will never stay at that hotel again. Once she was in a bank and the teller asked her if she is a "mail ordered bride" just because of her Russian accent. She never went back to that bank again. Judging someone just by accent or color of the skin is just plain wrong.
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I don't know about OP's wife, but if it had happened to my wife and her friends, she will never stay at that hotel again. Once she was in a bank and the teller asked her if she is a "mail ordered bride" just because of her Russian accent. She never went back to that bank again. Judging someone just by accent or color of the skin is just plain wrong.
To this day, 21 years later, when having a discussion with my wife that appears to me, at any rate, to make no sense I always ask, “Lady, do you speak English?” I do watch my back for a few days afterwards; you know how those foreign Orientals do hold a grudge.
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I believe the US does, in fact have significantly looser laws than the UK when dealing with libel, slander and defamation. If I am incorrect, I am sure you will furnish sources, correct? (My reply was to HhonorGguard, who seemed to imply any action against the property for libel would be hopeless, as I read it, to put what I said back into context.)
I am not sure why someone would claim that the UK has significantly stricter laws than the US does about these kinds of things.
1. Government actors in the US far more routinely seize assets of unaware parties whose facilities are used in criminal activity than the UK does.
2. The US has federal, state and local laws that create the opportunity to prosecute on multiple levels, including on charges that are only tangential to the criminal activity that drove interest of law enforcement and/or prosecutors.
1. Government actors in the US far more routinely seize assets of unaware parties whose facilities are used in criminal activity than the UK does.
2. The US has federal, state and local laws that create the opportunity to prosecute on multiple levels, including on charges that are only tangential to the criminal activity that drove interest of law enforcement and/or prosecutors.
stimpy, I can honestly say had this happened to me, I would be so so riled up. Not just the inconvenience, but also the false aspersions being cast on guest integrity by the hotel management. To accuse a guest of "women trafficing and prostitution" is very very serious and IMHO libelous.
I would escalate this to corporate and demand a written unconditional apology from the GM. Or consider legal action for libel if not forthcoming.
I would escalate this to corporate and demand a written unconditional apology from the GM. Or consider legal action for libel if not forthcoming.
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Checking in at the hospital in the midst of labor, the admitting staff asked American-born/Chinese descent Mrs. Jailer to answer questions while she was power-breathing. Receiving no answer they asked, “Lady, do you speak English?”
To this day, 21 years later, when having a discussion with my wife that appears to me, at any rate, to make no sense I always ask, “Lady, do you speak English?” I do watch my back for a few days afterwards; you know how those foreign Orientals do hold a grudge.
To this day, 21 years later, when having a discussion with my wife that appears to me, at any rate, to make no sense I always ask, “Lady, do you speak English?” I do watch my back for a few days afterwards; you know how those foreign Orientals do hold a grudge.
BTW, my wife was also asked if our 50% Chinese 50% Russian 100% American son was adopted from China when she took him to the park when he was a baby.
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I believe the US does, in fact have significantly looser laws than the UK when dealing with libel, slander and defamation. If I am incorrect, I am sure you will furnish sources, correct? (My reply was to HhonorGguard, who seemed to imply any action against the property for libel would be hopeless, as I read it, to put what I said back into context.)
Libel, slander, defamation: yes.
Human trafficking, prostitution, pimping: no.
There's not much of a libel/slander/defamation case in the UK when one party reports another party to the police or intelligence services there and doesn't go about otherwise making a public display of their suspicions. It's unfortunate that accusers who get it wrong are so often protected from being found liable for damages -- in the US much as in the UK.
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My apologies for not paying attention to the context. You are indeed correct.
Libel, slander, defamation: yes.
Human trafficking, prostitution, pimping: no.
There's not much of a libel/slander/defamation case in the UK when one party reports another party to the police or intelligence services there and doesn't go about otherwise making a public display of their suspicions. It's unfortunate that accusers who get it wrong are so often protected from being found liable for damages -- in the US much as in the UK.
Libel, slander, defamation: yes.
Human trafficking, prostitution, pimping: no.
There's not much of a libel/slander/defamation case in the UK when one party reports another party to the police or intelligence services there and doesn't go about otherwise making a public display of their suspicions. It's unfortunate that accusers who get it wrong are so often protected from being found liable for damages -- in the US much as in the UK.
My son, then about ten was parked about 15 ft away , always within my sight.
I had to wait In rebooking line so kept an eye on him, saw him talk toa tall Texan ( hat and boots).
After a while he looked at me , shook his head and carried on.
I asked my son about the exchange : T= Son where you headed ? S= Bombay, India. T where you from ? S : From Detroit ! T : OK, where are your parents from ? S:Oh they are from Pittsburgh !
No wonder the Texan walked away confused. We are from India ! Whwn I asked son why he said so, he said he saw that in a movie once and was dying to try it on someone. !!
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Some of each. Don't know which Dundee is though.
This is unfortunately a typical story in the UK. I do think that stimpy deserves some form of compensation; a be our guest certificate or points equivalent would be about right.
Edit: I notice he got one.
This is unfortunately a typical story in the UK. I do think that stimpy deserves some form of compensation; a be our guest certificate or points equivalent would be about right.
Edit: I notice he got one.
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Yes, I wonder howmany moe like us who have decided to shun a transit or stay in UK for such problems.
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Sorry, I was going to expand on it and then got called by the guy giving me a lift so I just hit post.
It's typical in the UK that people with authority add two and two and get fourteen when there is any suspicion of human trafficking, any possible danger to children, any risk to health and safety, or the possibility of terrorism. It took a high court order to stop the police from doing no-suspicion stop and searches on anyone they wanted, notionally due to suspicion of terrorism (a power that in practice was used to harass photographers and racial minorities, who are still so harassed by private security in malls etc.).
It's typical in the UK that people with authority add two and two and get fourteen when there is any suspicion of human trafficking, any possible danger to children, any risk to health and safety, or the possibility of terrorism. It took a high court order to stop the police from doing no-suspicion stop and searches on anyone they wanted, notionally due to suspicion of terrorism (a power that in practice was used to harass photographers and racial minorities, who are still so harassed by private security in malls etc.).
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Now, no one likes being investigated. I can tell you as someone who's conducted and managed investigations in sworn and unsworn positions at various levels of government, as part of agencies and task forces, many times the cooperation of regular citizens is sought, and many times a set of particular circumstances serves to clear someone of concern. I have no objection to your description of the actions of hotel management, they reported activity they were asked to report.
The circumstances that led to that report seemed appropriate to the hotel, based on the instructions they received from law enforcement.
If you merely drove a red SUV down a street minutes after a reported bank robbery on that same street, and the getaway vehicle was reported to be a red SUV, you'd be as innocent as can be and would still be taken out at gunpoint, detained (in handcuffs normally), and questioned as to your recent activities. (Then you'd be let go with an explanation...)
This is a part of the system of legal justice (in both the USA, and in England, where the system of policing in the USA is based.)
Glad you were satisfied in the end, and you frankly shouldn't have had to wait for that explanation.
Edited to add: Also, travel employees (hotels, airlines, car rental agents, etc.) are increasingly being trained to report suspicious circumstances. There will likely be many sets of events that in the end don't warrant such suspicion. However, the "See Something, Say Something" program is all about this idea...
Last edited by brkandjfk; Mar 29, 2012 at 3:15 pm Reason: Added last paragraph...