Premium Room Reward only at certain properties - Major Devaluation of HH points
Nov 10, 11, 2:30 pm
#751
Join Date: May 2003
Location: CA
Programs: AA Lifetime Gold, HHonors Diamond
Posts: 2,879
Also, if you look at the ADT, standard award availability is not very good. If you try a 2 night stay starting the beginning of May and ending the end of July, you come up with only 14 days (out of 90) where you can arrive and get a 2 night award.
Nov 10, 11, 3:09 pm
#752
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Melbourne
Programs: ►QFWP/LTG►VA WP►HyattExpl.►HiltonGold►ALL Silver
Posts: 21,899
Nov 10, 11, 3:17 pm
#753
Suspended
Join Date: Aug 2008
Programs: Everything is refundable
Posts: 3,727
May-July is off-season in Paris and the hotel should indeed have several dozen rooms available every night. I would expect Point Stretcher awards to be offered during the last week of May and early June, nothing going on there as well...
Nov 10, 11, 4:54 pm
#754
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 16,093
ADT Paris is also a high demand property, it doesn't surprise me that availability is scarce. It has always been like this even before the introduction of the Premium Reward except now everything goes under the microscope due to what happened to Diamond Force. Same could be said about Rome Cavalieri. But the title of this thread clearly states "Premium Room Reward only at certain properties" and since this is not the case at ADT Paris, we should cease to give out misleading information that can easily confuse people who aren't as familiar as some others about HHonors awards.
Nov 10, 11, 5:03 pm
#755
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Benicia, California, USA
Programs: AA PLT,AS,UA PP,J6,FB,EY,LH,SQ,HH Dmd,Hyatt Glbl,Marriott Plat,IHG Plat,Accor Gold
Posts: 10,766
Not to dispute your overall point and the general criticism here of the changes to the HH program, but isn't the French Open in late May? Might that influence availability around that time, or is it too small an event in the overall scheme of hotel availability in Paris?
Nov 10, 11, 5:07 pm
#756
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: So Cal
Programs: UA Silver/0.728MM, WN AL, Hyatt Diamond, MR Scum, Hertz PC, National Exec, Avis PC
Posts: 5,496
The poster isn't saying that there aren't standard rooms available EVER, just not when they are traveling. Also, they already have a standard room and the agent would not switch them from a paid stay to an award stay which is why the poster was frustrated. They could always risk throwing the room out and re-booking as an award right away, but then they could lose their paid stay as well.
Nov 11, 11, 12:44 am
#757
Suspended
Join Date: Aug 2008
Programs: Everything is refundable
Posts: 3,727
I have to apologize ( again ) for not marking irony/sarcasm.
Historically, not only the French Open, but also the beginning of the invasion of tourists from the US ( starting slowly in May and peaking for the first time over Memorial Day ) result in high demand.
So aside from all those people visit Paris, a lot of people residing in Europe are moving around the continent for two long weekends ( Ascension Day and Whit Monday ) and this property used to sell lots of quantity via tour operators...
Not to mention that the regular business season is in full swing in Europe until it starts to slow for the summer break ( beginning in late June in Germany and late July in France )
Historically, not only the French Open, but also the beginning of the invasion of tourists from the US ( starting slowly in May and peaking for the first time over Memorial Day ) result in high demand.
So aside from all those people visit Paris, a lot of people residing in Europe are moving around the continent for two long weekends ( Ascension Day and Whit Monday ) and this property used to sell lots of quantity via tour operators...
Not to mention that the regular business season is in full swing in Europe until it starts to slow for the summer break ( beginning in late June in Germany and late July in France )
Nov 11, 11, 1:10 am
#758
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Benicia, California, USA
Programs: AA PLT,AS,UA PP,J6,FB,EY,LH,SQ,HH Dmd,Hyatt Glbl,Marriott Plat,IHG Plat,Accor Gold
Posts: 10,766
No apology necessary for not clearly indicating your irony/sarcasm...if in fact you're not being sarcastic in apologizing here. 
As a native New Yorker I should have picked up on your tone. Perhaps I've been in California too long. 
As a native New Yorker I should have picked up on your tone. Perhaps I've been in California too long.
Nov 11, 11, 5:42 am
#759
Join Date: Aug 2009
Programs: IC Diamond Amb, Bonvoy Platinum, Hyatt Explorist, HH Diamond
Posts: 293
Can I just add that the London Olympics starting at the end of July with delegations/sponsors arriving as early as mid June could also affect availability in Paris next year.
Nov 11, 11, 8:30 am
#760
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 480
Also incorrect. Read it more closely. The OP already has a REWARD room booked on points for all five nights. They want to convert one of those points nights to a certificate (Q3FN I'm guessing). It really doesn't make any sense since they already have the room as an award and just want to change the "payment type". It would be like telling Hilton that they want to use a different credit card and then being told that they have to cancel the reservation to do it and there aren't anymore rooms so you can't do it (yes, it's a bit of a stretch, but still...)
Nov 11, 11, 11:22 pm
#761
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nashville, TN - BNA
Programs: Hilton Gold, WN RR
Posts: 1,818
I am glad to report I managed to get a Standard Redemption at the CDG Hilton for the dates I needed. I'm now down to 347 HH points and don't plan to earn many more so all is good on my end.
Nov 12, 11, 5:55 am
#762
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Formerly known as attorney28
Programs: LH HON, BA GGL, Hyatt LT Glob, Marriott LT P, Hilton LT Dmd, IC Amb, GHA Tit, Sixt/Av/Hrtz Dmd/Pres
Posts: 6,706
Wow, I just discovered this. This is a massive fraud scheme. How this is not causing more outrage is beyond me 
.
.
Nov 12, 11, 10:19 am
#763
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: LAX
Posts: 10,755
If you value your points - stay away from Hilton.
Nov 12, 11, 12:54 pm
#764
FlyerTalk Evangelist & Ambassador: China
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: DEN
Programs: DL DM/MM, UA 1K, AA Exp, HH Dia, WOH Glob, IHG Plat, Marriott Gold, NA EE, Hertz PC
Posts: 17,374
1. I know better, I've seen DL and HH do the same.
2. I've frequently try to use my points. Already been seeing DL's TPAC award avail in J scam and now I can't do DSA anymore, I'm 100% outraged.
Nov 12, 11, 2:23 pm
#765
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: From ORK, live LCY
Programs: IHG Gold, BA Silver, EI Silver, HH Silver, Accor Silver, ABP, Seigneur des Horaires des Mucci
Posts: 13,759
London hotels still seem to have plenty of standard rooms at a selection of random dates I picked, but the Olympics does screw things up next year. I was even able to see Diamond Forces.
