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James97 Aug 5, 2012 4:08 am

Was ripped off, still no explanation on miles, but money back!
 
I have never had such a bad renting experience, first of all my reservation at Nice Airport, France, was not honored after waiting 2 hours (and numerous phone calls), then they gave me the same care for 3.5 times the price, when returning the car they said I drove 1800 km, although I put in only 38 liters of gasoline in the car, and my own estimation is 400 km (based on Google maps). I have called Hertz customer service, but they told me that the mileage of the car was consistent with the previous rental, therefore they could not do anything with my complaint. I wrote an e-mail but have not heard anything. What a nightmare!
After money phone calls and e-mails, I got my money back, and the initial reservation with unlimited miles was honored. I am very happy. Although I still feel ripped off because I never drove the miles they claimed. But still my compliments to broker (priceline.com) and Hertz

guv1976 Aug 5, 2012 8:41 am

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Whenever you have a rate that does not include unlimited mileage, it is essential that you check the car's odometer at the beginning of the rental to make sure that the reading agrees with what is stated on your rental agreement.

I'm afraid that you just learned a very expensive lesson.

What explanation did the rental location give for failing to honor the price on your reservation? And what did Hertz customer service tell you when you complained about the failure to honor the price in your reservation?

cordelli Aug 5, 2012 9:56 pm

If the mileage listed on the paperwork was wrong when you picked up the car and you did not notice it, there is little you can do after the fact about it. As already mentioned, you need to confirm it on all rentals so you don't run into problems at the end.

marvanit Aug 6, 2012 8:11 am


Originally Posted by cordelli (Post 19066444)
If the mileage listed on the paperwork was wrong when you picked up the car and you did not notice it, there is little you can do after the fact about it. As already mentioned, you need to confirm it on all rentals so you don't run into problems at the end.

I learned that through a one way rental from Binghampton NY airport to Syracuse. Flight cancelled out of Binghamton and drove to Syracuse in my bare bones Toyota Yaris. Mileage was wrong on contract. I checked in car 82 minutes after picking it up. At that time, they said I drove 320 miles. Common sense prevailed when I pointed out that I would have had to average about 235 miles an hour in the Yaris to drive that many miles in the time I had the car.

djk7 Aug 6, 2012 8:23 am

Pickup mileage can certainly be wrong. It wasn't a big problem because I had unlimited mileage, I once got a car with 15,000 miles, but the contract was missing a digit and it said 1,500 miles. The return agent did a double take and realized there was probably a mistake before even mentioning it to me and said the previous return agent had problem typo'ed the mileage. She was also able to look at the history for the car and see that it had way more than 1500 miles when I got it.

Unfortunately, if they supposedly check the rental history for the car and find the starting mileage on your contract was consistent with the car's history, you are probably going to have a hard time fighting it.

docbert Aug 6, 2012 1:33 pm

Does the milage on the rental paperwork match what they said on return?

I had a rental recently from a HLE to LAX. Mileage on the rental paperwork was correct at time of rental, but on return the paperwork claimed I'd done about 500 miles (impressive given that I had the car for about 5-6 hours). When I checked, the starting mileage on the return paperwork didn't match the starting mileage on the contract.

It was an unlimited mileage rental so I didn't bother doing anything about it, but it's something else to check if you're on a per-mile rate.

James97 Aug 7, 2012 12:39 pm


Originally Posted by docbert (Post 19070387)
Does the milage on the rental paperwork match what they said on return?

I had a rental recently from a HLE to LAX. Mileage on the rental paperwork was correct at time of rental, but on return the paperwork claimed I'd done about 500 miles (impressive given that I had the car for about 5-6 hours). When I checked, the starting mileage on the return paperwork didn't match the starting mileage on the contract.

It was an unlimited mileage rental so I didn't bother doing anything about it, but it's something else to check if you're on a per-mile rate.

Yes the paper work is correct, but they kept me busy for a couple hours, after I received the car I was already too late for an appointment, I drove off without checking the mileage. I just checked dents etc. I have got 7 witnesses who can verify my activities during my rental, and the whereabouts of the car during that time, which can be a max of 400 km, also I paid everything on my Amex during my visit. Also 1 fill up of gasoline

James97 Aug 7, 2012 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 19062881)
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Whenever you have a rate that does not include unlimited mileage, it is essential that you check the car's odometer at the beginning of the rental to make sure that the reading agrees with what is stated on your rental agreement.

I'm afraid that you just learned a very expensive lesson.

What explanation did the rental location give for failing to honor the price on your reservation? And what did Hertz customer service tell you when you complained about the failure to honor the price in your reservation?

I am afraid you are right, but Hertz will never get my business, if this is not straighten out, also my company will cancel their contract, but I think that also those actions do not mean a thing for Hertz.

James97 Aug 8, 2012 2:55 am


Originally Posted by guv1976 (Post 19062881)
Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8530/5.0.0.1030 Profile/MIDP-2.1 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/417)

Whenever you have a rate that does not include unlimited mileage, it is essential that you check the car's odometer at the beginning of the rental to make sure that the reading agrees with what is stated on your rental agreement.

I'm afraid that you just learned a very expensive lesson.

What explanation did the rental location give for failing to honor the price on your reservation? And what did Hertz customer service tell you when you complained about the failure to honor the price in your reservation?

They said my reservation was canceled, but when I went on the internet reservation system it was still confirmed. As I booked through a broker, I had to contact the broker, which off course I already did.

jackal Aug 26, 2012 10:39 am


Originally Posted by James97 (Post 19076648)
I am afraid you are right, but Hertz will never get my business, if this is not straighten out, also my company will cancel their contract, but I think that also those actions do not mean a thing for Hertz.

A wise FlyerTalker once said that if everyone followed through on their threat to never do business with a car rental company after a dispute, we'd all be walking. :)

The same thing can happen at any rental agency. The lesson here is not to never do business with Hertz (since the same thing can and will happen to you at Avis, National, Dollar, Enterprise, or wherever); it's to double-check the odometer when picking up and again when returning. Same thing with the physical condition of the car: always look for damage, regardless of how much of a hurry you are in. (Check the fuel level, too, while you're at it.) It is never worth a large penalty to save what amounts to at most about 60 seconds.

That said, maybe get some sworn affidavits from your seven witnesses along with your credit card statement showing only one fill-up and send them to Hertz. It's worth a shot.

RTW1 Aug 26, 2012 10:51 am

You learned the hard way..... And you were stupid both with the original reservation and with the mileage.

But only 400km's on 38liters also seems a little hard to believe, just like not knowing how many km's you traveled when paying a rate that's not unlimited. Must have been some car....

Dave Noble Aug 26, 2012 2:08 pm


Originally Posted by RTW1 (Post 19196738)

But only 400km's on 38liters also seems a little hard to believe, just like not knowing how many km's you traveled when paying a rate that's not unlimited. Must have been some car....

That sounds pretty reasonable; 9.5L per 100Km sounds not far off a reasonable consumption; my Camry's listed consumption rate is 8.8 l/100k for example

Often1 Aug 26, 2012 2:17 pm

Broker?
 
If you booked this through a third party, it is the broker, not Hertz which owes you the difference between the rate you booked and the rate Hertz offered.

On the mileage issue, go ahead and get clear, concise and short statements from your seven witnesses. Make sure that the statements are just facts and make absolutely no conclusions. You can try sending them in. I give it a 5% chance, but why not.

The real lesson learned here is to never deal with third parties for airfare, hotels or car rentals. When everything goes right, this doesn't matter. But, when things go wrong, nobody takes responsibility. If you had booked through Hertz, you would have had a rate locked in and if it wasn't honored, a CC chargeback to fall back on.

RTW1 Aug 26, 2012 2:17 pm


Originally Posted by Dave Noble (Post 19197649)
That sounds pretty reasonable; 9.5L per 100Km sounds not far off a reasonable consumption; my Camry's listed consumption rate is 8.8 l/100k for example

Most rentals will be fairly new and will get you 13-15km on 1L easily, except when you drive only in towns....

Good luck proving a different mileage though. Mistakes happen, but the combination of a mistake in the outgoing mileage and somebody who doesn't check. Really rare....

I've taken up the practice of photographing the outside of the car and the dash with my phone when I take possession of a car that is not fully covered by insurance so I have some proof. Takes about 2 minutes.

FlyerTalker683455 Aug 26, 2012 2:22 pm


Originally Posted by James97 (Post 19062132)
I have never had such a bad renting experience, first of all my reservation at Nice Airport, France, was not honored after waiting 2 hours (and numerous phone calls), then they gave me the same care for 3.5 times the price, when returning the car they said I drove 1800 km, although I put in only 38 liters of gasoline in the car, and my own estimation is 400 km (based on Google maps). I have called Hertz customer service, but they told me that the mileage of the car was consistent with the previous rental, therefore they could not do anything with my complaint. I wrote an e-mail but have not heard anything. What a nightmare!

Had it happen twice in Thailand. Very pissed with Hertz Thailand.


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