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dlaue

The vaccination site at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles, the largest in the world, just handed you a vaccine card with the date/dose/manufacturer/site ID information pre-printed. You were responsible for adding your name to the card. The site handed you a second card with the same information when you received your second dose This site served 27,000 people PER DAY when it was operational, so there will be hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people with two vaccine cards. Fortunately California state operates a good on-line service which produces a record of your vaccinations.

STS-134

Interesting report about the hospitalization rate vs. cases decoupling, which has been happening with each successive wave, which results in a lower hospitalization to case ratio: https://www.khon2.com/always-investi...ng-with-cases/

The issue over the summer of course was an extremely high case count, which overwhelmed the hospitals even though the ratio of hospitalizations to cases was only about half of that during the initial wave. And this wave is running at about 2-3 times the number of cases there were over the summer.

Weyland Yutani Corp

Sad, but should be fully expected right now. I think Hawaii tends to be more careful is these situations than they would in **fill in the blank** mainland state.

Weatherboy

Only because the heatthcare system has always been so precariously fragile. Most mainland cities are better equiped for things than Hawaii as a state is.

denver19

From my perspective, I hope this doesn't entice Gov. Ige into ratcheting down on "Safetravels". There was some quick mention of that last week. Yes numbers are rising in a kind of shocking fashion, but we did the 2 week quarantine and here on Maui it led to 40% unemployment. Many people's lives were really crushed. And here we are; we could have had 3,000 cases per day without crushing the economy. It looks like if you close down again, you get Covid as soon as you open.
One other thing to note: If 3,000 cases are reported in a day,how many new cases were there really? Asymptomatic, and people who just stay at home for a few days aren't part of that number. I have relatives here on Maui that got Covid, isolated at home for ten days and then went back to work. I don't think they were ever part of any kind of case tally.

Weyland Yutani Corp

The answer across the nation...easily multiple-millions that can't find tests and just tough it out, so do some math to find Hawaii's number . And I'm sure many of the recorded tests are minor symptoms. Hell, if I feel sick I am going to test even if it's not severe.

Let's just keep high hopes the mega-hospitalization doesn't follow. Best to us all this year!

denver19

That's my point. You feel lousy, you go to Walgreens, buy a test and come up positive. Do you report that to somebody so it gets included in the daily numbers? I suspect that only the numbers at "drive through" facilities etc get counted. So I don't know what the multiplier is, but it's big.

Weatherboy

I loaded my HI vaccination details into CLEAR, so if I need a digital vaccination passport, i can use CLEAR.

COSPILOT

Coincidentally, Hawaii’s total Covid cases track closely with the county I live in. It’s interesting to compare over the last 1.5 years, but case numbers have more or less been close to each other.

iusepina

There's even talk of reverting back to pre-Safe Travels and forcing everyone into 10 days quarantine regardless of tests and vaccination.

Weyland Yutani Corp

by whom? Source?

Weatherboy

I've heard of many things but that is something on no ones radar. The most strict thing I've heard is requiring arriving guests to present negative test results within 48 hours of their departure to Hawaii even if they're fully vaccinated. And while Maui is rolling out their own policy of defining fully vaccinated as shots+booster, the same is being discussed for statewide policy.

Other than that, there's no appetite to shut down travel by going to pre-Safe Travels anywhere in government.

Weyland Yutani Corp

Flew UA 1295 LAX > LIH today. 16 people in First, and no more than 20 in all of economy. Lots of high quality masks being used around the airport and on the flight. We opted to wear N95’s…not exactly fun. I could never work in a hospital during all of this madness. .

Weatherboy

Governor Ige confirmed that Safe Travels is indeed changing to require a booster to be considered fully vaccinated to enter the state. He didn't give a specific date for the change yet, but said it would be at least 2 weeks away to allow people the chance to boost up.

He is also stongly urging island Mayors to limit access to public spaces (restaurants, gyms, theaters, attractions) to only those that are boosted, but also added that it'll be up to Mayors to enforce such a policy change. Right now Honolulu and Maui counties have the most strict access rules in the islands.