Oct 8, 2020, 2:27 pm
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Aloha - as a reminder to all, FT's rules specifically state: "FlyerTalk exists for the discussion of frequent flyer programs and the related travel experience. With the exception of the few areas specifically designated for the discussion of other topics, confine your comments as closely as possible to these topic areas and to the topic of the thread and forum in which you are posting." FlyinHawaiian and I recognize that it is easy to intertwine political commentary with the policies advanced by politicians that affect travel to Hawaii. However, we ask that you keep in mind the nature of this Hawaii forum and focus your attention on the policies and their impact on travel to/from/within Hawaii. Commentary about Hawaii's politicians are off-topic, belong in the OMNI forum, and will be deleted if posted on this thread. We ask for your kokua and cooperation. If you have any questions, please let us know.
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When will Hawaii re-open for tourism?
Jul 11, 2020, 11:52 pm
#676
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According to the rules, HI residents and visitors are treated similarly. In practice it seems residents might get hassled a bit less than visitors. My wife (resident) landed 6 days ago and hasn't heard a word from anyone as far as checking in for quarantine compliance. I know it's also a very fluid situation so frequency of check-ins a month ago might not be the same as they are today. Also, the people getting busted and made examples of are often tourists posting pics to social media which residents are probably less likely to do. Lots of moving parts and changing rules for sure.
Jul 12, 2020, 11:56 am
#677
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There are also multiple Facebook groups out there promoting vigilante justice against quarantine breakers. With so many unemployed, there are several locals that will stalk arriving passengers at airports and follow them back to where they're staying where they or others will monitor them.
About 3 weeks ago on one such group, I watched a FacebookLive of one family that the author said "looked too white" to be a resident that arrived at OGG. They followed them back to a home in Kihei, posting pictures of the home, the people there, and vehicles there, warning others to report them to police if they're seen out...or take measures into their own hands if police are slow to respond.
On the Big Island, there was also a dust up with a handful of black visitors that referred to themselves as the "Carbon Nation." Online, there was a call to hurt or kill them if they were out and about. When police finally did catch and arrest the Carbon Nation people, there were FacebookLives of the bunch that followed them into the airport and out to the gates to make sure they got out. Lots still remain on traditional media and social media about them and that drawn out incident.
While the quarantine is likely a deterrent against visitors, I'd be more worried about the growing hostility and fear residents have of visitors. Especially by the unemployed who have absolutely nothing to do.
About 3 weeks ago on one such group, I watched a FacebookLive of one family that the author said "looked too white" to be a resident that arrived at OGG. They followed them back to a home in Kihei, posting pictures of the home, the people there, and vehicles there, warning others to report them to police if they're seen out...or take measures into their own hands if police are slow to respond.
On the Big Island, there was also a dust up with a handful of black visitors that referred to themselves as the "Carbon Nation." Online, there was a call to hurt or kill them if they were out and about. When police finally did catch and arrest the Carbon Nation people, there were FacebookLives of the bunch that followed them into the airport and out to the gates to make sure they got out. Lots still remain on traditional media and social media about them and that drawn out incident.
While the quarantine is likely a deterrent against visitors, I'd be more worried about the growing hostility and fear residents have of visitors. Especially by the unemployed who have absolutely nothing to do.
Jul 12, 2020, 12:49 pm
#678
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There are also multiple Facebook groups out there promoting vigilante justice against quarantine breakers. With so many unemployed, there are several locals that will stalk arriving passengers at airports and follow them back to where they're staying where they or others will monitor them.
About 3 weeks ago on one such group, I watched a FacebookLive of one family that the author said "looked too white" to be a resident that arrived at OGG. They followed them back to a home in Kihei, posting pictures of the home, the people there, and vehicles there, warning others to report them to police if they're seen out...or take measures into their own hands if police are slow to respond.
On the Big Island, there was also a dust up with a handful of black visitors that referred to themselves as the "Carbon Nation." Online, there was a call to hurt or kill them if they were out and about. When police finally did catch and arrest the Carbon Nation people, there were FacebookLives of the bunch that followed them into the airport and out to the gates to make sure they got out. Lots still remain on traditional media and social media about them and that drawn out incident.
While the quarantine is likely a deterrent against visitors, I'd be more worried about the growing hostility and fear residents have of visitors. Especially by the unemployed who have absolutely nothing to do.
About 3 weeks ago on one such group, I watched a FacebookLive of one family that the author said "looked too white" to be a resident that arrived at OGG. They followed them back to a home in Kihei, posting pictures of the home, the people there, and vehicles there, warning others to report them to police if they're seen out...or take measures into their own hands if police are slow to respond.
On the Big Island, there was also a dust up with a handful of black visitors that referred to themselves as the "Carbon Nation." Online, there was a call to hurt or kill them if they were out and about. When police finally did catch and arrest the Carbon Nation people, there were FacebookLives of the bunch that followed them into the airport and out to the gates to make sure they got out. Lots still remain on traditional media and social media about them and that drawn out incident.
While the quarantine is likely a deterrent against visitors, I'd be more worried about the growing hostility and fear residents have of visitors. Especially by the unemployed who have absolutely nothing to do.
Joking aside, I’m very concerned about this moving forward and while I can’t find the link, some Hana residents said they would take the law into their own hands if they ever open again. I’m a frequent at some locations that are pure local but I’m questioning if that is safe anymore.
Jul 12, 2020, 12:54 pm
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Jul 12, 2020, 1:30 pm
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Joking aside, I’m very concerned about this moving forward and while I can’t find the link, some Hana residents said they would take the law into their own hands if they ever open again. I’m a frequent at some locations that are pure local but I’m questioning if that is safe anymore.
Beyond the stalking and online threats, their meme game is lit too.
Jul 12, 2020, 6:42 pm
#681
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Core Mission of FlyerTalk.com (and This Forum) - Members helping other members with questions about miles, points, and travel.
Topic Check - "When will Hawaii re-open for tourism?"
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Alternative Thread for Discussion - Hawai`i Residents - Impacts from COVID-19 and Current Situation in Your Areas?
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Topic Check - "When will Hawaii re-open for tourism?"
Preferred Content - Factual posts that share updates on the current status of the current travel restrictions/quarantine; in other words, discussing the topic of this thread. My co-moderator and I are happy to give a little leeway on letting organic discussions flow, but need to kindly ask for a bit of discretion from all on what is and isn't appropriate to post with specific caution against posts that are focused on the political aspects that may or may not be impacting the situation.
Alternative Thread for Discussion - Hawai`i Residents - Impacts from COVID-19 and Current Situation in Your Areas?
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Last edited by FlyinHawaiian; Jul 13, 2020 at 3:36 pm
Jul 13, 2020, 12:05 pm
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Per the above comment I want to just recheck on this. As of now we are STILL on for Aug 1 "Re-Opening" with of course mandatory testing right? Things change daily here so just re-checking. Seems like many of the prior posts are dealing with tracking down tourist who may or may not honor the quarantine.
Jul 13, 2020, 12:10 pm
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Per the above comment I want to just recheck on this. As of now we are STILL on for Aug 1 "Re-Opening" with of course mandatory testing right? Things change daily here so just re-checking. Seems like many of the prior posts are dealing with tracking down tourist who may or may not honor the quarantine.
Jul 13, 2020, 1:34 pm
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Probably not. Very likely (in fact almost certainly) it will be pushed back. The last information is that Ige will make an announcement this week. But all signs point to him delaying the no-quarantine-with-negative-test scheme beyond August 1. Guesses range anywhere from Sept 1 to October 1 to ???
Jul 13, 2020, 1:38 pm
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https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/lg...TSAK-0-TpQGdh4
”Lieutenant Governor Josh Green says the governor will likely delay the reopening of tourism, which is currently scheduled for August 1. Although the governor has yet to make the announcement.
The county mayors have already expressed that it would be safer to do so. Some experts agree that Hawaii is not ready, but some economists say it’s time for everyone to take personal responsibility regarding COVID safety measures and let tourists return to the islands.
After marathon meetings with the mayors and health officials, Gov. David Ige will likely make the official announcement after the weekend. That’s according to the lieutenant governor, who says the August 1 date will be pushed back.
“The governor has to make this decision. The best approach is to delay so that we’re safer, so we can get control of the virus with a date certain. And then two weeks before that, give an update of where we are right now,” said Green.“
Jul 13, 2020, 2:20 pm
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It is true. The only question now is what the new (always subject to change) date will be.
https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/lg...TSAK-0-TpQGdh4
”Lieutenant Governor Josh Green says the governor will likely delay the reopening of tourism, which is currently scheduled for August 1. Although the governor has yet to make the announcement.
The county mayors have already expressed that it would be safer to do so. Some experts agree that Hawaii is not ready, but some economists say it’s time for everyone to take personal responsibility regarding COVID safety measures and let tourists return to the islands.
After marathon meetings with the mayors and health officials, Gov. David Ige will likely make the official announcement after the weekend. That’s according to the lieutenant governor, who says the August 1 date will be pushed back.
“The governor has to make this decision. The best approach is to delay so that we’re safer, so we can get control of the virus with a date certain. And then two weeks before that, give an update of where we are right now,” said Green.“
https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/lg...TSAK-0-TpQGdh4
”Lieutenant Governor Josh Green says the governor will likely delay the reopening of tourism, which is currently scheduled for August 1. Although the governor has yet to make the announcement.
The county mayors have already expressed that it would be safer to do so. Some experts agree that Hawaii is not ready, but some economists say it’s time for everyone to take personal responsibility regarding COVID safety measures and let tourists return to the islands.
After marathon meetings with the mayors and health officials, Gov. David Ige will likely make the official announcement after the weekend. That’s according to the lieutenant governor, who says the August 1 date will be pushed back.
“The governor has to make this decision. The best approach is to delay so that we’re safer, so we can get control of the virus with a date certain. And then two weeks before that, give an update of where we are right now,” said Green.“
Jul 13, 2020, 3:32 pm
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*Reopen to visitors/returning residents without a 14-day quarantine upon proof of a negative COVID test within 72 hours of departure.
Jul 13, 2020, 3:39 pm
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And here is is. Any bets on whether Sept 1 will stick?
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...hrough-august/
“The state will delay the planned Aug. 1 reopening of Hawaii’s tourism industry with a traveler pre-testing program by a month, Gov. David Ige has announced.“
Edit: oops, Slippahs beat me to it.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/0...hrough-august/
“The state will delay the planned Aug. 1 reopening of Hawaii’s tourism industry with a traveler pre-testing program by a month, Gov. David Ige has announced.“
Edit: oops, Slippahs beat me to it.
Jul 13, 2020, 4:35 pm
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As noted in the Quarantine thread, it is now official. So the thread title has been updated to query whether the State will reopen* on Sept. 1.
*Reopen to visitors/returning residents without a 14-day quarantine upon proof of a negative COVID test within 72 hours of departure.
*Reopen to visitors/returning residents without a 14-day quarantine upon proof of a negative COVID test within 72 hours of departure.
Jul 13, 2020, 5:48 pm
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There's a better chance of a peace deal between the Israelis & Palestinians, or of Joe Biden dropping out and endorsing Trump. What I'm wondering is 1) Will Hawaii open this year? 2) Will they wait for a vaccine? 3) What if there never is a vaccine? I think there'll be one, but there's no guarantee. What do they do then?
