thepinenuts

I'd really like to see HA come back into Ontario. They've tried it twice in the last couple of years. There is a big market here in the Inland Empire.

N830MH

No, not right now. HA is already expanding more new route OAK/SAN-OGG. You'll will see it in the future if HA will be reinstates for HNL-ONT anytime soon. Same as AQ has already flies out ONT-HNL/OGG before it was cease operation. I remember where the specific routes came from. I am not familiarization anything for which the specific routes has no longer existed.

formeraa

Your last two sentences seem to contradict each other. If there were such a big market in the Inland Empire, then it is baffling as to why HA couldn't make ONT-HNL work. Were the fares too high or something??? It would seem to me that ONT is a very convenient airport for the Inland Empire.

tonywestsider

I'm not surprised HA would introduce the A330 on the LAX-HNL route, which seems to be their most popular long haul route. I'd wish however, that they should have mixed their 330 fleet with a combination of 200 and 300 series models. For example, the A330-300 would have been a better match flying on the LAX-HNL route, where range is secondary to capacity. An A330-300 could easily carry 294 pax, just like HA's A330-200s, but with 2-4-2 seating and not with 3-3-3 seating as currently proposed. The A330-200s typically seat 278 pax with 2-4-2 seating. However, HA, wanting to standardize the A330-200s longer range while cramming more seats to maintain a reasonable fare structure has opt for the A330-300s seating capacity in a 200 series airframe.

As an earlier post stated, an HNL-FLL route is really thinking out of the box. HNL and FLL are two competing destination markets. HNL captures the west, northwest and midwest tourist markets. FLL, OTOH, captures some of the western, midwestern, eastern and southern markets. HA would do better to fly HNL-DFW and HNL-ORD and then develop code share services east from there. Even HNL-IAD or HNL-JFK may be a better option for the A330s if HA can develop code sharing flights to Europe from those airports.

beckoa

So how much is it that HA is 'filling the gap' with the OAK-OGG service vs. going after AS on a new route, since AS has been beefing up in the PNW-Hawaii routes?

ONT... that theoretically could be an option for AS if HA couldn't make it work with its larger A/C... a nice niche market with some disposable $

formeraa

You have a good point about AS and niche markets to HNL. Perhaps this is AS's future to HNL. They could look at secondary markets in California, perhaps take over where Aloha left off.

formeraa

Reminds me of HA's old L1011's with 10 seats across, rather than the norm of 9 seats across at the time!

beckoa

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Granted I was less then 5 when I rode those...so I actually fit!

HA/UA_Flyer

Where did you hear that the A332s would be 3-3-3? Last I heard was the A332's were standard 2-4-2 and the A358s would be 3-3-3.

tonywestsider

HA recently had a cabin layout demonstration somewhere at HNL that showed the latest individual IFE together with 9 across seating. Typically, an A332 seats about 278 in 2 class w/ 2-4-2 seating. The A333 typically seats 294/300 with 2-4-2 seating in 2 class. Let's hope you're right, though.

tonywestsider

LOL! You're taking me down memory lane with those L-1011s.

HA/UA_Flyer

Oh I remember that....it was just a demo more for the IFE for the A332. From the HA staffers that I chatted with, it is going to be 2-4-2. Hopefully it will not change. Guess we will have to wait until next June to find out when the first ship enters service ^

N830MH

No, I think A330 will have 2-4-2 the seat configurations. HA will have to installed the AVOD in the economy class and need to installed the personal TV in the First Class section during TPAC flight out HNL-US Mainland.

I remember that HA who flown on L1011 aircraft & DC-10 during TPAC flight out of LAX/SFO-HNL. I don't recalled for which the equipment is that. When HA has been retired the older L1011 & DC-10-30/40 aircraft. I remember where HA want to put on orders newest B767-300/ER aircraft for replacement older DC-10-30/40. I realize one of my uncle who flown on HA out LAX-HNL-KOA by 13 years ago.

formeraa

Sadly, I remember further back when the DC-10 and L-1011's were first introduced with 2-4-2 (8 across seating). It was almost like sitting in F (well, maybe not, because I was only about 5 at that time)!

N830MH

http://pacific.bizjournals.com/pacif...8/daily25.html

http://berad.org/hawaiian-airbus.jpg

All I can says "WOW!" that mean she is so incredible newest A330-200. It will be first commencing service HNL-LAX sometimes on June 2010. I can't wait to see HA A330 will be delivered to HNL in April 2010. So enjoyed the pictures brand newest A330.