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Hawaiian Air .. how can I structure this to work ?

Old Sep 9, 19, 10:51 am
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Hawaiian Air .. how can I structure this to work ?

I am playing around with dates and and different scenarios on flight costs for 5 people from JFK, non stop (multi island) the end of june-Jul to Oahu . I have a credit card with 65,000 points and need 42,500 points and $400.00 plus dollars for my fare and I also have a 50% companion pass . Since there is a total of 5 people the rep said that I would need to book mine on a separate reservation and the other 4 separately. I noticed that I cannot reserve it as a multi island as the option goes away

So my question is: what is the best way to structure this and is xtra comfort worth $320 non stop?
My thoughts are that I would have to book my husband and I using the round trip to get the 50 percent companion pass and the 3 kids I would have to book separate one ways in order to use the points . I was hoping that we could book the interisland on the sane ticket so that the flight from Kauai to the mainland the bags could be checked all the way through but this doesnít seem possible . Am I understanding the rules correctly ? I also could wait to book the interislamd fare anyway and use points from the main purchase and Marriott bonyoy to help pay some of the interisland fare with points .The chat specialist did tell me that I could link the interisland with the mainland fair as long as there is not more than two hours in between. That is an option if thatís correct.

Hawaiian air experts , am I understanding this correctly? Thanks
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Old Sep 9, 19, 9:32 pm
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anyone? Perhaps I worded it in a confusing manner, but any help would be appreciated!
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Old Sep 10, 19, 12:13 am
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So my question is: what is the best way to structure this and is xtra comfort worth $320 non stop?
Make this simple - book everyone in a single reservation, even it means you have to pay cash for all.

Airlines handle pax based on the reservation. So 5 in 1 reservation is handled different from 4+1 in 2 reservations (Note - there is no mechanism to link reservations). So when there is a problem, 5 in 1 reservation will generally be handled altogether, but not 4+1 in 2.

Award travel is generally not handled well during IRROPS (as it is technically a non-rev ticket). In short - you are exploiting a risk that may or may not happen. Given that you don't have enough anyway. Don't bother and make thing simple for yourself.

In term of whether it is worth the extra cost for better seats, this is straightly a personal preference. FWIW - it is a 10-hour flight. So keep in mind that the torture lasts 10 hours as well. (If I were you, I would choose a route with stops to break down the travel).
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Old Sep 10, 19, 9:38 am
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I have enough for 1 way free and 50% companion pass. My calculation from JFK is that it is $1,000 savings which is why I got the credit card to begin with. So you are saying I should just not use the $1,000.00 and make is simple?
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I have enough for 1 way free and 50% companion pass. My calculation from JFK is that it is $1,000 savings which is why I got the credit card to begin with. So you are saying I should just not use the $1,000.00 and make is simple?
Yes.

I don't know who are the 5 pax traveling (but my guess is at least 2 are minor children). But again - award travel does not mix with rev travel well. So when things happen, the pax with the award travel will be mostly left behind, maybe for days.

I know some believe that one should get a credit card before a major trip. That could work with some. But in your case, when you have 5 people, the credit card, not only do not much good, but actually affect how you think. For example, your card only waives 1 checked baggage (for the cardholder). How about the others?

I believe you can still use the 50% companion pass with a 5-in-1 reservation.

My suggestion is to explore other ways to HNL. HA may be the only 1 offer nonstop JFK-HNL. But it does not mean it is the best option.
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Old Sep 10, 19, 9:03 pm
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Originally Posted by garykung View Post
Make this simple - book everyone in a single reservation, even it means you have to pay cash for all.

Airlines handle pax based on the reservation. So 5 in 1 reservation is handled different from 4+1 in 2 reservations (Note - there is no mechanism to link reservations). So when there is a problem, 5 in 1 reservation will generally be handled altogether, but not 4+1 in 2.

Award travel is generally not handled well during IRROPS (as it is technically a non-rev ticket). In short - you are exploiting a risk that may or may not happen. Given that you don't have enough anyway. Don't bother and make thing simple for yourself.

In term of whether it is worth the extra cost for better seats, this is straightly a personal preference. FWIW - it is a 10-hour flight. So keep in mind that the torture lasts 10 hours as well. (If I were you, I would choose a route with stops to break down the travel).
of course you can link reservations on most airlines. Just call the airline or get travel agent to do it. (you might not be able to on some LCCs)
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Old Sep 10, 19, 9:28 pm
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Originally Posted by garykung View Post
Yes.

I don't know who are the 5 pax traveling (but my guess is at least 2 are minor children). But again - award travel does not mix with rev travel well. So when things happen, the pax with the award travel will be mostly left behind, maybe for days.

I know some believe that one should get a credit card before a major trip. That could work with some. But in your case, when you have 5 people, the credit card, not only do not much good, but actually affect how you think. For example, your card only waives 1 checked baggage (for the cardholder). How about the others?

I believe you can still use the 50% companion pass with a 5-in-1 reservation.

My suggestion is to explore other ways to HNL. HA may be the only 1 offer nonstop JFK-HNL. But it does not mean it is the best option.
Gary,
The kids are 16, 18 and 20. Jut curious though what would be the scenerio where something happen? They would leave the passenger with the reward, but why? Overbooked? I have Marriott Bonvoy Points that I can transfer over to give enough for a round trip would that make a difference?
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Old Sep 10, 19, 10:22 pm
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Originally Posted by OZFLYER86 View Post
of course you can link reservations on most airlines. Just call the airline or get travel agent to do it. (you might not be able to on some LCCs)
Try and see that if you are so confident about this...

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The kids are 16, 18 and 20. Jut curious though what would be the scenerio where something happen? They would leave the passenger with the reward, but why? Overbooked? I have Marriott Bonvoy Points that I can transfer over to give enough for a round trip would that make a difference?
Things happen when HA decides to rebook for any reasons. In most of the case, airlines (not just HA) follow a general rule to decide rebooking priority - frequent flyer status and fare class. So for a non-elite traveler flying in award, it basically means when things happen, this traveler is basically SOL.

Because of that treatment - in your case, when things happen, HA will try their best to accommodate everyone as a group if you book 5-in-1. But if you book 4+1-in-2, the 1 as award travel will mostly be forced to separate from the main party and will be on his/her own. This will be extremely problematic if minor children are involved.

I stand correct about my advice. But if you insist on booking someone with award, please make that person one of the adult parent (assuming) or any other capable adult. So that, if something did happen, at least there would be 1 parent bringing the children home, and the one left behind can handle him/herself.

Note - I am not advocating for or against any airlines as this can happen in any airlines, not just HA.
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Old Sep 11, 19, 7:32 am
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Ok but since our kids are adults, I think we may be okay with myself (cardholder) and one of my kids in order to get the 50% companion pass. Then on the second reservation, my husband and the other 2 kids using points. This way if something happens one of us is with the kids. If we end up on the same plane, we intend to switch seats as my husband and I would like xtra comfort. The only issue I seem to be running into is I cant book a multi island using reservation with points so all of our interisland has to be separate (that seems like an easy link) and since I only have enough points for 1 way free, It looks like I may have to book all one way travel for that reservation. That to me is where it gets sticky and creates more risk for us to be separated or other issues. This is where I was looking for Hawaaiian airlines travel experts to see if there is any way to get around these issues.
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Old Sep 12, 19, 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by garykung View Post
Try and see that if you are so confident about this...



Things happen when HA decides to rebook for any reasons. In most of the case, airlines (not just HA) follow a general rule to decide rebooking priority - frequent flyer status and fare class. So for a non-elite traveler flying in award, it basically means when things happen, this traveler is basically SOL.

Because of that treatment - in your case, when things happen, HA will try their best to accommodate everyone as a group if you book 5-in-1. But if you book 4+1-in-2, the 1 as award travel will mostly be forced to separate from the main party and will be on his/her own. This will be extremely problematic if minor children are involved.

I stand correct about my advice. But if you insist on booking someone with award, please make that person one of the adult parent (assuming) or any other capable adult. So that, if something did happen, at least there would be 1 parent bringing the children home, and the one left behind can handle him/herself.

Note - I am not advocating for or against any airlines as this can happen in any airlines, not just HA.
have linked bookings dozens of times. It's not difficult at all.
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Old Sep 12, 19, 1:22 pm
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I'm not sure why there is such doom and gloom in this thread.

The good news - this is rarely a full flight (it will fill ultimately with employees using flight benefits) and rarely cancels.

I see 52,500 miles one way online - are you sure you are seeing 42,500? Either way, with most one ways running $475 - that is an extremely poor redemption rate. Really poor.

If you are determined to use the miles, then book the miles one way purchase the other one way - do this first, as purchasing the other tickets may decrease award availability. Then use your 50% companion fare. Call Hawaiian to ask if they'll link the accounts - they may, or may not, ,do that.

Forgot to add, $320 RT for Extra Comfort is something you'll probably find worth it - it is a very long flight

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Sure you can link reservations. It just doesn't do very much.
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Old Sep 12, 19, 1:55 pm
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Originally Posted by HNLbasedFlyer View Post
I'm not sure why there is such doom and gloom in this thread.

The good news - this is rarely a full flight (it will fill ultimately with employees using flight benefits) and rarely cancels.

I see 52,500 miles one way online - are you sure you are seeing 42,500? Either way, with most one ways running $475 - that is an extremely poor redemption rate. Really poor.

If you are determined to use the miles, then book the miles one way purchase the other one way - do this first, as purchasing the other tickets may decrease award availability. Then use your 50% companion fare. Call Hawaiian to ask if they'll link the accounts - they may, or may not, ,do that.

Forgot to add, $320 RT for Extra Comfort is something you'll probably find worth it - it is a very long flight
Thank you, thank you! I was feeling a lot of doom and gloom myself! I did chat with HA and they assured me that all one ways and multi islands on multiple reservations can be linked although it could be a bit of lip service, we will see. But I just want to make sure I understand your instructions...Are you saying to book the one way with points going Honolulu to JFK first or just do the reward purchase first, then the 50% companion fare second? Also I look at the rates every day and today is a little high but what I am seeing is $475.00 dollars or 52,500 points JFK-Hon or $550.00 dollars or $52,500 Hon-JFK. So I would be better off using the points on the return leg. Is there any harm in doing this first? I really appreciate your time!
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Yes, book the reward one way flight first on HNL-JFK. Then book your other one way ticket. Then book the companion 50%
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Originally Posted by garykung View Post
Make this simple - book everyone in a single reservation, even it means you have to pay cash for all.

Airlines handle pax based on the reservation. So 5 in 1 reservation is handled different from 4+1 in 2 reservations (Note - there is no mechanism to link reservations). So when there is a problem, 5 in 1 reservation will generally be handled altogether, but not 4+1 in 2.

Award travel is generally not handled well during IRROPS (as it is technically a non-rev ticket). In short - you are exploiting a risk that may or may not happen. Given that you don't have enough anyway. Don't bother and make thing simple for yourself.

In term of whether it is worth the extra cost for better seats, this is straightly a personal preference. FWIW - it is a 10-hour flight. So keep in mind that the torture lasts 10 hours as well. (If I were you, I would choose a route with stops to break down the travel).
NO, award tickets are considered revenue. Nonrev means employees, etc., perhaps traveling standby (NRSA).
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