Is safe for a transgender person travel through DOH
Feb 19, 2018, 4:22 pm
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This is not worth even 1% risk. You've obviously seen the videos of people being tossed off buildings. Many people are very happy living in Islamic theocracies, but that does not usually include the LGBT crowd. Fly via Amsterdam or Frankfurt or London or any number of other non-Middle Eastern countries. Transiting should be fine. Until it isn't. But why experience any potential hassle. Pony up a few more bucks and be safe and sure.
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Feb 20, 2018, 11:14 am
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This is not worth even 1% risk. You've obviously seen the videos of people being tossed off buildings. Many people are very happy living in Islamic theocracies, but that does not usually include the LGBT crowd. Fly via Amsterdam or Frankfurt or London or any number of other non-Middle Eastern countries. Transiting should be fine. Until it isn't. But why experience any potential hassle. Pony up a few more bucks and be safe and sure.
Lots of South Asian LGBT passengers pass thru DOH and DXB on trips to/from/within Asia, almost always without incident; and most any incident of a problem while transiting wouldn’t be unique to transiting DOH or DXB and may have its own variant in the UK or US airports.
Feb 20, 2018, 11:19 am
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Qatar and the UAE aren’t theocracies, as anyone with an informed, objective understanding of forms of government would know.
Lots of South Asian LGBT passengers pass thru DOH and DXB on trips to/from/within Asia, almost always without incident; and most any incident of a problem while transiting wouldn’t be unique to transiting DOH or DXB and may have its own variant in the UK or US airports.
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Feb 20, 2018, 3:43 pm
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Qatar and the UAE aren’t theocracies, as anyone with an informed, objective understanding of forms of government would know.
Lots of South Asian LGBT passengers pass thru DOH and DXB on trips to/from/within Asia, almost always without incident; and most any incident of a problem while transiting wouldn’t be unique to transiting DOH or DXB and may have its own variant in the UK or US airports.
The UAE's individual members have agreed to an absolute monarchy and the law there is also a combination of Sharia and civil law. So while we ca use a label like "absolute monarchy" in place of theocracy, the guy running things is a devout believer in Islam and his courts are bound by a mix of Sharia law and civil law.
So in short both governments and those governed are more inclined to siding with a religion's ideas on things than say a public poll's. Call it what you wish, we all can. But addressing the safety of a transwoman there I think it would be clear to most that this is something to take into consideration.
Lots of LGBT folks pas through without incident? Great. Fortunately for 3 of 4 of that acronym being visually identified as that minority can be impossible if the individual does not make pubic displays of affection. Transfolk do not have that luxury. It only takes one incident. Enough vids of the intolerance of the thinking in that region give me pause and I seek to offer the advice that alternatives exist so as not to require a transit in a country guided by a religion with specific views on the LGBT issues.
Having transited US and UK airports hundreds of tomes I can assure you the law is on your side there with specific regard to how you present. Very much a case of apples and oranges I am afraid.
Feb 20, 2018, 4:33 pm
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Well thanks for the insult, but allow me to add some fact. Qatar is a constitutional monarchy with Sharia law being the main law in the constitution. The legal system is a combination of Islamic and civil law. Or in other words a government based on the law of a religion. or for all intents and purposes......wait for it.......a theocracy.
The UAE's individual members have agreed to an absolute monarchy and the law there is also a combination of Sharia and civil law. So while we ca use a label like "absolute monarchy" in place of theocracy, the guy running things is a devout believer in Islam and his courts are bound by a mix of Sharia law and civil law.
So in short both governments and those governed are more inclined to siding with a religion's ideas on things than say a public poll's. Call it what you wish, we all can. But addressing the safety of a transwoman there I think it would be clear to most that this is something to take into consideration.
Lots of LGBT folks pas through without incident? Great. Fortunately for 3 of 4 of that acronym being visually identified as that minority can be impossible if the individual does not make pubic displays of affection. Transfolk do not have that luxury. It only takes one incident. Enough vids of the intolerance of the thinking in that region give me pause and I seek to offer the advice that alternatives exist so as not to require a transit in a country guided by a religion with specific views on the LGBT issues.
Having transited US and UK airports hundreds of tomes I can assure you the law is on your side there with specific regard to how you present. Very much a case of apples and oranges I am afraid.
The UAE's individual members have agreed to an absolute monarchy and the law there is also a combination of Sharia and civil law. So while we ca use a label like "absolute monarchy" in place of theocracy, the guy running things is a devout believer in Islam and his courts are bound by a mix of Sharia law and civil law.
So in short both governments and those governed are more inclined to siding with a religion's ideas on things than say a public poll's. Call it what you wish, we all can. But addressing the safety of a transwoman there I think it would be clear to most that this is something to take into consideration.
Lots of LGBT folks pas through without incident? Great. Fortunately for 3 of 4 of that acronym being visually identified as that minority can be impossible if the individual does not make pubic displays of affection. Transfolk do not have that luxury. It only takes one incident. Enough vids of the intolerance of the thinking in that region give me pause and I seek to offer the advice that alternatives exist so as not to require a transit in a country guided by a religion with specific views on the LGBT issues.
Having transited US and UK airports hundreds of tomes I can assure you the law is on your side there with specific regard to how you present. Very much a case of apples and oranges I am afraid.
Qatar and the UAE aren’t Islamic theocracies and don’t even have the same set of laws as each other. And LGBT passengers transiting there without incident is a routine event.
Designated X sex passport users transiting DXB and DOH on the way to South Asia is not rare. And it’s generally more incident free for such transit passengers. I wish I could say the same thing when it comes to dealing with DHS and their LHR equivalents using strip aearch machines, but I can’t because it would be an insult to the facts.
Feb 20, 2018, 5:29 pm
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Qatar and the UAE aren’t Islamic theocracies and don’t even have the same set of laws as each other. And LGBT passengers transiting there without incident is a routine event.
Designated X sex passport users transiting DXB and DOH on the way to South Asia is not rare. And it’s generally more incident free for such transit passengers. I wish I could say the same thing when it comes to dealing with DHS and their LHR equivalents using strip aearch machines, but I can’t because it would be an insult to the facts.
Islamic law being a major component oof the law of the land seems pretty clear. Variations on the amount of civil law exists certainly, but the fact remains they both apply Islamic law as well. Not the best situation for an identifiable Transperson or if passport and presenting gender are different. I have no doubt there are many instances of no problem occurring, but it only takes one and since options exist, well, it just makes sense to play it safe still. The world is changing and is already amazing. Not yet perfect though. For me the TSA, DHS, and CBP have always been fantastic. The UK has been fine too.
Feb 20, 2018, 6:21 pm
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Or, "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck." Islamic law being a major component oof the law of the land seems pretty clear. Variations on the amount of civil law exists certainly, but the fact remains they both apply Islamic law as well. Not the best situation for an identifiable Transperson or if passport and presenting gender are different. I have no doubt there are many instances of no problem occurring, but it only takes one and since options exist, well, it just makes sense to play it safe still. The world is changing and is already amazing. Not yet perfect though. For me the TSA, DHS, and CBP have always been fantastic. The UK has been fine too.
Islamic law being a major component oof the law of the land seems pretty clear. Variations on the amount of civil law exists certainly, but the fact remains they both apply Islamic law as well. Not the best situation for an identifiable Transperson or if passport and presenting gender are different. I have no doubt there are many instances of no problem occurring, but it only takes one and since options exist, well, it just makes sense to play it safe still. The world is changing and is already amazing. Not yet perfect though. For me the TSA, DHS, and CBP have always been fantastic. The UK has been fine too.Sadly from the US to Nepal there only a few options.Stop in DXB/DOH/AUH or SIN/HKG
which the ME3 always have the cheapest fare going to South Asia
Feb 20, 2018, 6:27 pm
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Lots of X sex passports are used to go via DXB and DOH and DEL en route to Nepal.
If there are IRROPS on the way to/from Nepal, I’d rather it be on an itinerary using DOH or DXB or DEL as my gateway into/out of Asia than on an itinerary with ICN in that position.
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Feb 21, 2018, 5:07 am
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Going via India used to be the most common way for people from the US to get to Nepal. It still works to go via say DEL, but a lot of that traffic now goes via various non-Indian, Asian airport hubs (inclusive of DOH and DXB).
Lots of X sex passports are used to go via DXB and DOH and DEL en route to Nepal.
If there are IRROPS on the way to/from Nepal, I’d rather it be on an itinerary using DOH or DXB or DEL as my gateway into/out of Asia than on an itinerary with ICN in that position.
Having lived in Asia, North Asia to be specific, for the past 27 years now, and having quite extensive experience in this matter, I can assure you that from the perspective of having to wait out a delay and interact with the local population Korea is one heck of a lot better place to be stuck during IRROPS than many alternatives. Certainly far better than anywhere in the ME. India is a matter of taste although you would be so close to your destination yiou could likely enjoy it a lot. Japan would be best in Asia but HKG is not a bad call either. SIN is a bit trickier.
Feb 21, 2018, 8:35 am
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DOH and DXB have facilitated the travel of lots of X sex passport users without issue on trips to/from South Asia — way more than ICN with its very limited flight service to South Asia and poorer ability to recover as well with IRROPS-hit passengers in South Asia or headed to/from South Asia than carriers from say India, Qatar or the UAE.
Fear of extremely rare (to non-existent) outcomes on transit via DOH or DXB is just like being afraid to fly via DOH or DXB but not afraid of getting in a car in the US on a Friday or Saturday night or right on or after peak payroll deposit day (with the US being a country where drivers driving after some drinking of alcohol is tolerated way more than say in Sweden). Lots of X sex passport users use DOH and DXB without issue, and that’s the norm.X sex passports and other ID and travel doc issues for those who don’t fit into false binary categories is an issue of which I’m very aware: German passports to allow M, F, or X sex.
Fear of extremely rare (to non-existent) outcomes on transit via DOH or DXB is just like being afraid to fly via DOH or DXB but not afraid of getting in a car in the US on a Friday or Saturday night or right on or after peak payroll deposit day (with the US being a country where drivers driving after some drinking of alcohol is tolerated way more than say in Sweden). Lots of X sex passport users use DOH and DXB without issue, and that’s the norm.X sex passports and other ID and travel doc issues for those who don’t fit into false binary categories is an issue of which I’m very aware: German passports to allow M, F, or X sex.
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Lets forget about ICN and focus on this part of your statement:
And how do you know there was "no issue"?