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Aviatrix Nov 15, 2007 2:02 am


Originally Posted by etch5895 (Post 8733306)
Or (if you can stand this) watch a movie that you know by heart in German, with the German subtitles showing.

You can learn Dutch or Swedish that way - but not German. The reason is that it is very rare to find English-language films with German subtitles. In Germany most films get dubbed. Which I think is possibly one reason why, as a general rule, people in Germany don't speak English as well as people in the Netherlands and Scandinavia. Germans, unlike their neighbours, don't hear English on TV.

soitgoes Nov 15, 2007 2:45 am


Originally Posted by Aviatrix (Post 8733437)
You can learn Dutch or Swedish that way - but not German. The reason is that it is very rare to find English-language films with German subtitles. In Germany most films get dubbed. Which I think is possibly one reason why, as a general rule, people in Germany don't speak English as well as people in the Netherlands and Scandinavia. Germans, unlike their neighbours, don't hear English on TV.

It used to be rare, and you won't find much that is subtitled on TV or in the movie theaters, but now, with the advent of DVDs, you can do this with pretty much any film. In fact, now you can watch a film first, say, with English audio and German subtitles and then watch it again with German audio and English subtitles.

And, yes, I agree with you--I think that the amount of English Scandinavians hear on TV is related to their excellent English skills (there are other factors, of course, but this would seem to be one).

HereAndThereSC Nov 15, 2007 7:38 am

You certainly won't find movies subtitled in German in the US, that's for sure. I have about 250 DVD's at home and I don't think I've ever seen anything other than French/English/Spanish subtitles.

JP


Originally Posted by soitgoes (Post 8733505)
It used to be rare, and you won't find much that is subtitled on TV or in the movie theaters, but now, with the advent of DVDs, you can do this with pretty much any film. In fact, now you can watch a film first, say, with English audio and German subtitles and then watch it again with German audio and English subtitles.


basia Nov 15, 2007 9:12 am


Originally Posted by delmargal (Post 8726315)
I took some German at the local university (although 3 hours at night after work is painful).

My boyfriend who is from Vienna (although if he had his chose I'd take Viennese German instead of German :p), downloaded the "Tell Me More" German program which is less expensive than Rosetta Stone, but the navigation isn't too great.

Well for THAT you can use the wonderful Viennese for Americans phrase book: http://www.abseits-soccer.com/wienerisch.html :D

travis bickle Nov 15, 2007 9:26 am


Originally Posted by frodaddy (Post 8703635)
Hi fellow FT'rs

. . . .
Thanks in advance for your help/suggestions!!

good day,

you didn't ask, but i will tell you anyway . . .
as an american, your income earned in a foreign country is still taxable by uncle samuel. please see the following link for some very helpful, INTRODUCTORY comments on how to exclude foreign earned income from taxation by the us, what may be excluded (and what may not), etc:

http://www.irs.gov/faqs/faq13-3.html

incidentally, i have been a professional tax preparer for several years -- please be sure to contact a professional preparer in your area so that you will know the rules on how to exclude your income (if you go to an h&r block office and talk with a senior preparer they will be able to help you). absent that, you could download the publications mentioned in the above url and read up yourself on what is required. or, you could get a publication such as lassiter's and read in there what you will need to know.

as a last resort, contact your hr department on this topic, or perhaps there is a colleague in your office who just returned from abroad and can advise you.

i have seen too many people lose out on this by not knowing the rules beforehand.

have a great year.

soitgoes Nov 15, 2007 10:07 am


Originally Posted by HereAndThereSC (Post 8734194)
You certainly won't find movies subtitled in German in the US, that's for sure. I have about 250 DVD's at home and I don't think I've ever seen anything other than French/English/Spanish subtitles.

JP

This was a comment about films available for rent or purchase WITHIN Germany.

frodaddy Nov 15, 2007 12:47 pm

travis - danke! sehr gut!

This is something i am definately going to look into and was planning on asking HR. Another thing I am going to look into is that my apt lease ends up in May of '07. So technically I wont have a residence in the US (i guess my parents). Unless anyone knows of anything I should watch out there for I think its just an issue I can take up with HR.

Regards,
-mb

ACflyerDE Nov 15, 2007 2:24 pm


Originally Posted by soitgoes (Post 8733505)
It used to be rare, and you won't find much that is subtitled on TV or in the movie theaters, but now, with the advent of DVDs, you can do this with pretty much any film. In fact, now you can watch a film first, say, with English audio and German subtitles and then watch it again with German audio and English subtitles.

Good advise. However I noticed that the English subtitles are most of the time word by word but it seems that German subtitles tend to be more for hearing impaired and do not always show what is actually spoken.

govtflyer Nov 15, 2007 3:06 pm

If you will not have a permanent residence when you move to Germany I would recommend using a friend or relatives address in one of the state tax exempt states (ie. Florida, Texas, Washington, etc) This way you will only have to file a federal tax return. I lived in Germany for 9 years as a military brat, and 2 years in Okinawa in the service. This was good advice that was given to me. Take every opportunity to enjoy Germany it is a wonderful country and has events happening every weekend in many towns.

alex0683de Nov 15, 2007 3:56 pm


Originally Posted by etch5895 (Post 8733306)
Or (if you can stand this) watch a movie that you know by heart in German, with the German subtitles showing.

This is hard to do, though.


Originally Posted by soitgoes (Post 8733505)
In fact, now you can watch a film first, say, with English audio and German subtitles and then watch it again with German audio and English subtitles.

I would recommend going with the latter - watch a movie you already know in the dubbed German version and switch on the English subtitles. I think the learning effect is much greater than if you watch English with German subtitles. And when you're ready, you can graduate to etch's suggestion, watching the German-German version. And after that, you can try to watch a German-made film (like Goodbye Lenin or something) with the German subtitles on.


Originally Posted by Aviatrix (Post 8733437)
You can learn Dutch or Swedish that way - but not German. The reason is that it is very rare to find English-language films with German subtitles. In Germany most films get dubbed. Which I think is possibly one reason why, as a general rule, people in Germany don't speak English as well as people in the Netherlands and Scandinavia. Germans, unlike their neighbours, don't hear English on TV.

It's not for lack of trying though. Unfortunately, there is a law that TV programming must be dubbed, rather than subtitled. Nominally, it's supposed to be a programme to keep the German language alive, but in fact it is just a make-work scheme for a sizeable industry - dubbing all those programmes employs a huge number of people!

I wish I at least had a choice of whether to watch in in German or English though. In Switzerland, some programmes are broadcast with the original soundtrack and the dubbed soundtrack, and you can switch between the two. I would really like to see this in Germany (especially for my beloved Simpsons).


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